Cloudified Share Discussion Threads

[nicebut] 23/4/2016 22:40

Just playing devels advocate;

The ROI and CHL *are* engaged in arbitration- The UK Gov presumably doesn`t want to be seen to be trying to influence proceedings...after all the ROI are making v serious allegations against CHL.(coughs- but they are) (OK ROI have now failed to pay their share and are acting like spoilt brats but hey).

However, I agree what`s with all the deals and agreements....Maybe someone has had a word with them- which is why they pulled out- But why refuse to answer the mail or questions from CHL, CC, or ICSID? It is as, DQ says, `Very strange`.

[masarap] 23/4/2016 22:16

Hi Carlo, you'll probably have seen how few UK journalists cover Indonesia but I will contact Ben Bland and Avantika Chilkoti via linkedin as they have written some interesting articles for the FT.

At the present time the Govt. position appears to be 'let's turn a blind eye to the violation of International Law in place to protect British business'. If anyone lives in Gloucester then they can copy my email and send it to their MP, Mr Graham, given that he has downgraded International Law to the same status as a request to attend a local flower show. Indonesian Investment Treaty violation is, according to him, a local constituency matter and certainly not a matter for the PM Trade Envoy to Indonesia who happened to meet with President Widodo last week.

Obviously investing in CHL is not without risk but anyone going through the document request in Procedural order 16 is likely to come away thinking CHL have ROI very much on the back foot. The 80 pages of small print is very detailed but worth reading. My own view is that it provides many reasons why ROI will struggle to win on authenticity. ROI's failure to engage to the extent it is now violating International Law with the UK seems to fit with that.

I do think they are now just behaving like a 'bad loser' and trying to drag this out. This might be to try and make CHL accept a lower offer than they otherwise would but, if so, that's naive thinking by ROI. Some media publicity on treaty violation or confirmation of a UK / EU political rebuke might make them more inclined to make a realistic settlement offer. Cameron and co should really be pushing for EU influence on this given ROI is currently trying to achieve a major trading agreement with the EU.

It's a long shot but worth a try to generate some media publicity. It's a struggle though to compete with the main online headlines in the Mail such as Prince George wears £27 bathrobe.

It seems clear though that the UK Govt has an obligation to publicly rebuke a violation of an International Law that impacts negatively on British business generally as well as CHL specifically. It creates a disturbing precedent if they don't engage and rebuke and try and downgrade an international principle enshrined in a treaty to a constituency level irrelevance.

[patviera] 23/4/2016 20:02

No rules here Andy!!

[andy] 23/4/2016 19:22

Gpback,

Please stop spamming the thread on behlaf of Director's Talk.

I'm surprised ADVFN allow you to do it.

[carlo sartori] 23/4/2016 18:00

Great work Masarap, thank you.

I wonder if there is any way of getting some journalist interested in this "story". When you think of it, the fact that the Gov are promoting business with Indonesia on the one hand while Indonesia are bullying British companies and disregarding protective trade agreements on the other is quiet startling.

Carlo.

[spartikas] 23/4/2016 15:59

Thanks Masarap.

[patviera] 23/4/2016 15:03

Let u know Monday

[fidra] 23/4/2016 14:34

top man masarap.

[patviera] 23/4/2016 13:13

Jnbr Don't talk rubbishThey can't buy chl shares!! Wow another Debbie cretin

[jnbrw] 23/4/2016 13:00

looking at this weeks trading (and events) I think it would be crazy for ROI not to be picking up a good few percentage points holding (by one means or another). Not saying this is happening - just pure speculation - but they would be mad not to imo, as lets face it, they have burnt all their boats with the panel now. Soon be time to buy back the trading shares.

[p@] 23/4/2016 11:34

Thanks Masarap!

[siennadelekat21] 23/4/2016 09:19

Nice email Masarap, hope you get a clear response from him/them on this issue.Once again sorry everyone for my outburst yesterday... I have very much calmed down now : )From my experience, none of you (and certainly not me) have ramped this company... On the contrary, we have discussed on numerous occasions that it is a "Binary Play" - the company will either win or lose.... Simple!Many of you have done plenty of research to show why you believe we have a good chance of winning, showing your research sources. I am in favour of a balanced view from anyone, be it positive or negative (as long as it is a balanced argument). There is plenty of research (on this BB) showing just how corrupt ROI/GOI have and continue to be. I for one, being British, love the idea of David taking on Goliath (and hopefully winning against the odds) hence my punt on this company. I reiterate it being a Punt, as that is what this is - I wouldn't dream of putting my house on this and wouldn't dare advocate anyone else do the same... I'm sure most of you feel the same way.As for BR's argument that we are all just a bunch of chancers trying to rob a third word country of the little bit of money they have is just ridiculous! That money has been put aside to settle valid disputes that have arisen due to past corruption. If the company doesn't pursue it, it will most probably just end up being squirrelled away into some corrupt officials Panama bank account instead of actually being used to help hard up Indonesians. I for one do not feel guilty about reducing the funds being squirrelled away.Any new potential investors that stumble upon this bulletin board I recommend you read the research that Debbie has put in the header and any other of the research that has been posted on this BB over the years. Having read that, then make your own decision as to whether you think this worth a punt or not.Thanks Sienna : )

[bdog51] 23/4/2016 09:15

Masarap, thanks for copying the reply. It's appalling that RG isn't prepared to carry out his responsibility in his role and tries to shrug it off. I'm tempted to write to him myself but will leave this in your capable hands. Most grateful for your perseverance with this.

[goodbloke1] 23/4/2016 02:24

Sienna.Dont let it upset you and if no one replies to or engages the low life it will disappear.It is simply looking to get in lower and wind people up in the process .Your a good poster .Best concentrate on informative posting as you do and as Debbie says.

[nixonpaul] 22/4/2016 21:39

If I remember one of its clichés.

Hope that helps

[bad robot] 22/4/2016 19:18

Diddiegoon,tidy your face first dear. Get a liposuction for your face, after so many failed scams it must be showing. Then afterwards ask for a brain transplant.

Cheerio my dear friends, need to go, can't keep the ladies waiting.

IN BR WE TRUST