Bidstack Share Discussion Threads

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:49

Jasoo

16m per 90 days - simple innit?

Go back to school

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:46

Actually they’ve sold 40m copies so that’s £80m revenue for the game. I was only counting the 50,000.

So the questions are still the same.

[jasoo85] 24/2/2020 13:45

The posts over on make A LOT more sense than the gibberish here.

[jasoo85] 24/2/2020 13:39

I've not heard of so much made up misinformation in my life.

There is a hyperthetical discussion about the potential of Rocket League with numbers of revenue of $16.2 million with assumed 20% take of this to Bidstack = 3.24 million per 90 days.

No-one has ever stated revenues in a game will be made up by 1 advertiser, which again you seem to be implying, using an article from over 10 years ago as some type of defence

You live in a 90's world of domains, and SEO my friend.

[aidenabettin] 24/2/2020 13:37

The zombies never heard of cloud gaming and Esports?.Game is up for the old gang and it's time to retire.#pastit

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:29

Yump

The biggest question seems to be the client's willingness to spend that amount of money.

CPM at $3? for an online game?

$64.8m to advertise in Rocket League? The game only costs $19.99 - so 50,000 is $1m in revenue for the game and moneygenxyz thinks advertising will pay a facilitator in the game $64.8,!

Something isn't right is it?

Do gamers even go out in the real world and spend money?

A website with Adsense on it getting 50,000 unique visitors a day will earn between £2000 and £5000 a month. We need to be thinking in those number, not millions!

[aidenabettin] 24/2/2020 13:29

Yump and niggle no mention of Appnexus?.Just like Andy too scared

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:27

Dow is about to tank by the way:

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[yump] 24/2/2020 13:25

You’re expecting someone to calculate as if they’ve run a business - bit of a tall order.

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:24

Money - you are right about Affiliates. It's a 30% override of the commission. If a client sells something and the commission is 10% on, say a £100 item the publisher gets £10 and Awin £3

It's 3% of the turnover, not the commission. Apologies - If the client pays 5% then the override is 1.5% but it's still 30% of the commission.

So the questions still are:

1. CPM for an online game - very questionable in the light of the Man U deal
2. Number of players
3. Revenue share
4. Advertisers willingness to pay

You forget, I remain to be convinced and hold, so I want them to do well, but you are chucking around some hefty numbers.

[aidenabettin] 24/2/2020 13:15

The zombies cant bring themselves to mention MASS SURVEILLANCE through gaming.APPNEXUS caught red handed and it's being brushed under the carpet

[niggle] 24/2/2020 13:10

I think you also have to question whether an advertiser is prepared to pay $64.8m to appear for a year in a video game called Rocket League.

This is highly unlikely as football's pitchside ads only produce £40m split between 20 clubs. So that's £2m average.




1. CPM for an online game
2. Number of players
3. Revenue share

Prove the numbers and I'm with you.

[moneygenxyz] 24/2/2020 13:04

25% gross margins from a 3% fee? Affiliate marketing? 😂😂

Bidstack is a media owner not an agent.

Big difference...

Also, credit the right person for their calcs - Robski was much closer than you it appears with a stronger assumption set.

[niggle] 24/2/2020 12:55

Jasoo85

That is not how it was presented. It was deliberately misleading to suggest BIDS would get $1,296,000 - read the post.

I am happy to discuss revenue share but only if you are civil.

Do you know what the share is?

Really? Yes - have you worked in Affiliate Marketing? just asking as we do!

Most affiliate companies like TradeDoubler, Commission Junction, Awin etc work on about a 3% override.

Adsense is substantially higher,(as much as 32%) but Bids is no Google lol! It places ads in a game, the gaming company own the first-party data and earn most of the money.

"It is probably more like 20%" pmsl!

Just prove your 20% assumption - that's all.

Learn how to DISCUSS, not put down. It really is quite simple if you try.

[jasoo85] 24/2/2020 12:21

Niggle, before making accusations that people are not making the correct calculations, you need to have the actual facts.

Bidstack recognise revenue based on the full amounts from the Advertiser.

After the revenue recognition, payments are then made out to the Game Publisher and DSP.

The conversation is about revenues, not profit and cash balance.

And 3%? - Really? - It's probably more like 20% as a cut of those revenues retained within Bidstack. This will likely vary depending on whether it's a direct deal or one via the DSPs.

Do Your Own Research Look Up the REAL Facts

#Niggle #Naive

[aidenabettin] 24/2/2020 11:43

Data collection through gaming is the Target.Weapon of choice.BIDSTACK.#Dirty

[aidenabettin] 24/2/2020 11:32

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[tommyknockers1] 24/2/2020 11:32

niggle me this Aiden!
moneygenxyz is niggle?
not so sure with differing IP's
and different writing styles
but, aiden is loglorry7?

[sweepie2] 24/2/2020 11:10

Big buy just gone through, life in the old dog yet

[markstevenkirby80] 24/2/2020 11:10

I've turned into a zombie watching my money go down the pan

[yump] 24/2/2020 10:54

Jazoo85

I have to correct you. Been here since 1999 ish. You are correct I have been having right go at some shares over the years.

Also many more that have had no hype and BS going on that have given a nice return.

Almost exclusively the ones I’ve been very negative about have either quickly or slowly failed. Some were blatent hyped rubbish (moni,pdx,iof) that obviously made money for traders.

If thats your thing fine.

I’m interested in sustainable business investments.

[niggle] 24/2/2020 10:41

What is amazing is that money is trying to work out all kinds of ad revenue for BIDS over the road.

What he is not calculating is that whereas Google owns most of their ad inventory via their search engine, YouTube and other placements, BIDS does not. The ads are placed in spaces within a game. BIDS is therefore, only a facilitator to allow gaming companies to make money from ads.

More discussion is needed on BIDS share of the cake.

In this respect, BIDS is more like an affiliate network, creaming off a network fee of say 3%.

He states:

1 player x108 000/1000@ $3 = ad potential Income of $324 per gamer over 90 days
Rocket League with 50,000 ave daily gamers this becomes $16,200,000 /20% = $3,240,000 to Bidstack
If we guestimate
Dirt Rally 2.0 @ 20,000 ave daily players - $6,480,000/20% = $1,296,000 to Bidstack


When really it may be $1,296,000 * 3% $38,880 to Bidstack!

Depends on the deal but to suggest BIDS takes all the ad revenue is at best naive!

[niggle] 24/2/2020 10:31

money - hard to see what those emojis are. Are you saying 3p? It looks like 3 X 3s.