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[paulisi] 30/4/2020 08:22

Price has been marked down this morning.

[kooba] 30/4/2020 08:15

Bit dull considering the range of pathogen specific products.Obviously previously announced ventilator order very welcome ..I didn't even realise that was in their product range!No advanced talks or positivity that their range of diagnostic products is gaining any traction giving concern they are not moving fast enough in testing?Does mention 'ramp up' but that gives no idea on scale from standing start.Earlier comments seem to have been far more optimistic on orders?

[supertag] 30/4/2020 07:59

Waste of an RNS !

[garth] 30/4/2020 07:33

What is that RNS? Back slapping price pumping?

G.

[paulisi] 30/4/2020 07:28

Covid statement out.Nothing new other than the medical division is going upwards and the rest of the business will have a negative impact.

[paulisi] 30/4/2020 07:26

None - it was in relation to the prior discussion

[gerihatrick] 29/4/2020 17:25

what is the significance of the US decision to give Abbott a contract on BATM?

[paulisi] 29/4/2020 17:18

The US have just approved a test provided by Abbott labs.

[fse] 29/4/2020 15:27

Antigen tests are a quick and easy way to look for a specific antigen -- a term for any foreign substance, like a virus or bacteria. Antigen tests for flu or strep throat, for example, can be done in a doctor's office without expensive equipment and give results in minutes.
There is not yet a reliable antigen test for the novel coronavirus, but it is theoretically possible and companies are working to make one. This is what BATM are doing with NovaMed
How do they work?
Think of an at-home pregnancy test. In a coronavirus antigen test, you put a bodily sample such as a throat swab onto a specially treated strip, which then uses a color or marker to say whether the novel coronavirus is present.

The antigen test works by looking for a unique part of the novel coronavirus, such as a specific protein on one of its namesake "corona" spikes. If that specific protein is present in detectable quantities, then the test returns a positive result.
Why is this test important?
Antigen testing could provide immediate answers to whether someone is infected with coronavirus and could in theory be mass produced for home use.
These likely would not replace PCR tests, which are the most reliable, but they would be a good first step. The WHO said these "could potentially be used as triage tests to rapidly identify patients who are very likely to have COVID-19, reducing or eliminating the need for expensive molecular confirmatory testing."

[owenski] 29/4/2020 15:02

A home test kit is a cotton bud in a tube with a return address to a lab on it. lol

[fse] 29/4/2020 15:00

dds.... you make some great points and there is so much hype around antibody tests and vaccines as being the only way out. Its true that the antibody tests thus far are limited in their scope and accuracy.It would be nice if governments can refrain from saying we wont go back to normal until there is a vaccine. That could be a very long wait.

If random testing is done using PCR tests it is possible to work out the situation from the overall results rather than individual notation. You do need a fair few tests and they have to be truly random. I have felt from the start of this that this is a situation that needs "managing" not worrying about a cure which may or may not show up at some time or another.
With BATM test they have essentially shrunk the PCR process and can test for other infectious diseases, this really is an authoritative benchmark test.

Further confusing the situation a lot of tests say they are "home" tests but you still have to send the sample away and wait for the result. BATM and Nova med are working on an antigen test which will give a near instant result in your home like a pregnancy test. They are not as accurate as a PCR test but very much have a role to play.

Restrictions were put in place to take the pressure off the Hospitals. We seem to have forgotten that. Once the ICU cases are manageable there should be an effort to open up sectors of the economy.

[dds14] 29/4/2020 08:00

There's a big difference between the nucleic acid based tests (eg like the one batm sell) and the antibody based ones.

The former are all 99%+ accurate - assuming the sample is taken correctly and handled properly. Neither of which are remotely reliable in current circumstances. They only tell you if you have the virus at the time and tell you nothing about if you're immune.

The antibody kits are almost all rubbish. Certainly on a population basis - where even a 99% accuracy may not be good enough. They won't tell you if you have the virus but will tell you a week or so later if you have had it. They won't tell you if you're immune or not - there is a lot of debate about whether having some antibodies is better than none if they're not neutralising but that's not really relevant in terms of testing. Unfortunately the antibody kits are the ones which are most crucial in getting back to some kind of normality.

[2toptrader] 28/4/2020 17:19

Keep grinding higher nice and steady.

[fse] 28/4/2020 17:08

>owenski.... thats for certain. These inferior tests throw up large numbers of false positives that then prompts the WHO to inaccurately tell us that previous positive diagnosed people have caught the virus again. Its unbelievable nonsense as they never had the virus in the first place.

[owenski] 28/4/2020 14:36

Not all testing kits are equal

[paulisi] 28/4/2020 12:02

Slight nudge upwards - tempted to sell a small percentage at 60p.

[2toptrader] 27/4/2020 10:24

And from a chart point of view, would you say this is a "see you later" gap ?!

[fse] 25/4/2020 16:18

BATM / Celitron have been building up a line of products directly and indirectly linked to the infectious diseases field. Celitron were already in the hospitals with sterilizers and autoclaves ventilators are another product in their infectious diseases catalogue. I dont get the impression that celitron is trying to make a market out of specialising in ventilators rather that they have something they can offer along with their other products.
Remember BATM have been working on SARS and MERS kits both are Coronavirus and both have respiratory issues
I think the agricultural sterilizer/processor business could be a very productive innovation in the equipment we use and the way its incorporated into the food chain.
As Dr Marom pointed out in a recent interview they developed , tested and patented this ventilator in anticipation of it being required.
The ventilator is "one" of several essential products that BATM and subsidiaries have to offer to counter the infectious diseases outbreaks. Its not the main act.



The link above is to an older report its interesting to note that Celitron are listed as a potential key player in the future. The Future has arrived !

[cumnor] 25/4/2020 10:45

Ventilators are here to stay and will be stockpiled in anticipation of future CV19 peaks, which will come. No government will want to be caught short.

[owenski] 25/4/2020 10:26

If the death rates/ICU admission rates are now falling, then ventilators is a ship that's already sailed.

Virus detection and related are where the focus is likely to remain, seems to be lots of gimmicky offerings out there, but some company is going to be a winner.

[picsous] 25/4/2020 10:03

The ventilator saga goes on:

UK government does not seem to need the what Dyson has to offer, there's even talk of a glut.
Perhaps the Dyson design is too late, not enough time to get regulatory approvals? Competition got in first?
In any case the UK government does not give a reason.

At least the BATM owned ventilator was ready for manufacture and that would have been one of the reasons why they got the order, apart from the fact that Zvi claimed that it is a 'top of the range' kind of ventilator.

[paulisi] 24/4/2020 18:00

Google has the answer to my own questionResmed(US) and Phillips are the leading manufacturers

[paulisi] 24/4/2020 17:54

I believe that some NHS hospitals are finding the black box for sleep disorder otherwise known as a CPAP machine is more effective.This was something that came up in the press today with regards to Warrington.I know there is a lack of machines and could be the next big thing.No idea who manufactures these.

[fse] 24/4/2020 15:54

Ventilators are often more of a last resort measure. By the time a patient is on a ventilator their chances of survival reportedly not great maybe 25% but still thats a lot of people saved. The sophistication of the ventilator, the point at which they were put on it and a whole host of other factors need to be considered.
They are a help.