Argo Blockchain Share Discussion Threads

[ken chung] 01/5/2024 20:26

Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[truant2tb1] 01/5/2024 17:14

Can longs hurry up and sell. It's getting boring waiting for the collapse

[broomrigg] 01/5/2024 15:36

Not looking good here I'm sorry to say. Peter Wall shafted this company and used all its shareholders, laughing at them while he sailed off into the sunset with £7m. Well done those who got out when he did. What an unnecessary waste.

[ken chung] 01/5/2024 15:18

Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[one_frankel] 01/5/2024 11:27

The whole premise to BtC following the last financial crisis was to avoid blatant market manipulation by the 'Select Few' Porky but when BtC is now effectively controlled by the whales such as Saylor, its heading in exactly the same direction as Fiat currencies and that certainly wasn't its overall intention to begin with unfortunately!

[jaknife] 01/5/2024 10:31

porky9,

The numbers aren't that difficult to work out.

You take last year's revenue:



multiply by 50% and then compare to the other costs.

ARB must be losing money hand over fist.

JakNife

[martywidget] 01/5/2024 10:00

JPMorgan had CLSK as their top pick last October, and have done reasonably well since then...

[1knocker] 01/5/2024 09:49

porky, there are posters (including me) who have many times explained in detail why ARB is a high risk low reward play. You do not need to hear it from Ken Chung to understand the negative case on ARB.

As I say, the bear case is well documented here. What I don't find posted, here or anywhere else, is a convincing bull case.

All the miners are an indirect bet on BTC, with trading and operational risk which is avoided by buying BTC. ARB is pure trading and operational risk, because it holds no significant quantity of BTC. The risk is high because ARB has a weak balance sheet, is loss making and is running out of runway. The reward is low, because even if BTC goes vertical, ARB has few BTC to appreciate in value. Thus, even if you want exposure to BTC through the mining sector, how is ARB the best way to do so? As I see it, the only (small) advantage it has (for us) over the other miners is that it is sterling investment, saving FX costs on buying and selling..

What is the bull response t that ?

[ken chung] 01/5/2024 05:33

Bitcoin only $59,970.

ARB are losing money.

[porky9] 01/5/2024 04:41

I do wish the poster @Ken Chung unless its a computer bot, would articulate their rationale behind their negative stance rather than just posting the same "bitcoin halved" event and "Lemmings and mushrooms" comment. Clear they are shorting.

The comments by @Broomrig i tend to agree with in so much that ARB faces massive energy costs to mine bitcoin and it looks more and more to me that there is an actual floor in the crypto currency structure policy with these halving events written in.

It is killing the very mining industry off that Crypto needs to survive. To think that ARB will face yet another half reward event in another four years doesn't bode well for it at all frankly. They need to reduce production costs now and will be under constant pressure to keep reducing mining costs again and again until its not even possible to do so. The rules must change as i see it.

As a side, I positively hate the fact that Bitcoin is effectively controlled by a handful of whales and do wonder if the event was written in to boost the pots of these whales, in principle if there is less of something the price should go up however what they didn't bank on was miners having to dump reserves to stay in business hence increasing supply whilst the price of bitcoin so ridiculously high now it may just have peaked hence whales selling chunks adding further downward pressure - jury is out on the future of Bitcoin itself but as for miners, it does kind of look like the landscape is bloody challenging for them that's for sure.

Think ARB could do with a black swan event, such as rules being changes for the future or a miracle way to reduce energy costs.....

[martywidget] 01/5/2024 03:34

BTCUSD YTD +35.81% 1 YR 113.68% 6M +69.27%

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[zydecoco] 30/4/2024 21:52

Are Lemmings avoiding proximity to Mushrooms? Is the world actually not flat?Did people really land on the moon? Is David Icke really the messiah?Etc.

[ken chung] 30/4/2024 21:48

Bitcoin now only $60,172.

Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[broomrigg] 30/4/2024 15:55

Sales massively outweigh purchases today. How long can ARB stay above 10 pence?

[broomrigg] 30/4/2024 10:41

Bitcoin below 62,000 usd, so Argo currently pays more in "direct costs" to mine a coin than a coin is worth. SELL.

[topazfrenzy] 30/4/2024 10:39

Surprised this is not at 3p yet

[zydecoco] 30/4/2024 08:04

Hing King ETFs Crypto trading debut value dwarfs US, on its first half a day :* The trading volume of the newly listed spot bitcoin and ether ETFs in Hong Kong amounted to over $6.3 million during the morning session today, according to HKEX data.* In comparison, when the 11 spot bitcoin ETFs began trading in the U.S. in January, their daily turnover reached about $4.6 billion on the first trading day.Https://www.theblock.co/post/291606/hong-kongs-spot-bitcoin-ether-etfs-see-over-6-3-million-in-half-day-volume-upon-debut

[jaknife] 29/4/2024 22:28

At the current rate ARB is hopelessly loss-making. You can work it out yourself by taking last year's numbers and projecting them forward for 2024.

Revenue last year was $50.4m. The halving took place on 20th April and so, very roughly, you could assume four months at the same rate as 2023 and then 8 months at half that rate, hence:

( 4 / 12 + 0.5 x 8 / 12 ) x $50.4m = $33.6m

= ARB's forecast revenue for 2024

power and hosting costs for 2023 were $28.8m (assuming that the "power credits" were converted to cash)

and operating expenses were $19.3m

you don't need to go any lower in the P&L to see that ARB is now hopelessly loss-making.

JakNife

[caveater] 29/4/2024 22:08

Or not.................Ker Ching !!!!

[ken chung] 29/4/2024 21:53

Bitcoin now only $62,880 and the mining reward recently halved from 6 to 3 bitcoins per winning block.Are ARB on a trajectory to go bust at that level?Lemmings and mushrooms only.

[broomrigg] 29/4/2024 19:22

The whole mining sector having a very rough session across the pond. ARB first to go bust?

[noirua] 29/4/2024 13:29

If ARB is taken over or merged with another company it is most likely to be Bitfarms that mines in Quebec BITF. At about 10 times the market cap of ARB it appears a reasonable likelihood.

[tenapen] 29/4/2024 05:20

Hahahahaha

It's getting boring reading the same prophet of doom posting the same opinion over and over and over and over .....
And yet the share price stays strong.

[broomrigg] 29/4/2024 05:11

Only a few days left to sell ARB before the next operational update, which is likely to be dire.

ARB stated the "direct costs" of mining each coin was 31,000 usd pre the halving so now it is 62,000 usd. They didn't mention the indirect and therefor total cost of mining each coin but at the current bitcoin price it looks like this business is going bust.