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Flowgroup Plc LSE:FLOW London Ordinary Share GB00B19H7076 Flowgroup Plc
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.25p +1.82% 14.00p 13.50p 14.50p 14.00p 13.75p 13.75p 162,788 10:42:47
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Electronic & Electrical Equipment 33.4 -10.1 0.0 - 44.45

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123qwer: Good morning dear Larry335 and Cyberhub Thank you Larry and IMO Cyberhub has kindly answered the question. To summarise - (Importantly, and on the whole, posters/investors on this thread appear to be nice people and I wish them luck) First heard of Flowgroup a few months back via Daily Mail article, thought it was too goo to be true. Failed to join at about 30p at the time I think. Flowgroup, the product is real, tested, priced, trialled, and now on the market. This is very good progress for an AIM stock as usally most AIM stocks are run by crooks and built on hope and more hope where the small investors/mugs line the pockets of the BoD's, but not in Flows case IMO. The Share price drop: The other day and around about the time of the realse of the boiler, share price crashed to 31p, why?? Any answers please? The competition: A fantastic ariticel on iii and im my case stopped me from investing in Flow last week (do a google search for iii and Flow for the aritcle( The aritcle mentions British Gas re-joning the fray. Concerns re FIT. Concerns re other boiler makers not sitting on their hands if success is seen. IMO, Flows CHP will soon be bettered by the likes of BR/ Baxi etc. Flows boiler has many limitations. I have concerns re the durability of the boiler is yet to be tested and like new model cars, faults may arise once in the market. I have concerns re installations costs being mentioned on this thread of 1800 pounds (pls correct me if i'm wrong) which are a lot higher than combi boilers like for like change over. I have cconcerns re price of boiler when compared to standard combi boilers I have concerns re warranty period of two yrs as opposed to many offering 5 and now 7 yrs. I have concerns that most people in the south of the uk as warmer climate wont generate enough energy to make it cost effective with FIT in place and what if the FIT is reduced or removed as I for one do not trust governments. I have major concerns tha tthe boiler only produces eletric when boiler is on or hot water. In my home, we have an eletric shower and heating is on for about 4 months of the year on average - even in winter as our home is south facing with large windows, heat is not usally on when sun is out even in the winter. About showers, my finding show that at least 50% of the people I know have electric showers the others cobi boiler connections and they may be in the shower for 5 mins. My conclusion: Based on the above is that Flowgroup is one of the few in AIM market that appears to be a genuine company with a genuine product. Flowgroup has done the donkey work and IMO another big company will soon have a more cost effective, user friendly product in the market with a great warranty period. The combi boilers can be bought and installed like for like less than a thousand quind in many many cases and often 5 and now 7 year warranties. Therefore I will not buy until close to 20p for a possible dead cat bounce and then quick in and out then see share price drift south and then at much lower prices than now, a takeover by anoth co that will build on Flowgroups success. As it stands, Flow has done well but not well eneough and if I had held shares, I'd sell out around these prices. The above is my own research and opinions and I could be wrong or correct so do your own research and if share price spikes, I wish you guys the best and big profits. (Broker targets, I usally LOL at them rarely do they get it right and often a vested interest)
123qwer: Don't say I don't try to help A few minutes ago, brill article in the Money mail - should give the share price a rocket on Monday imo. However, I am still expecting 25p buy in poss January’s winners and losers The JIC Portfolio was up 0.8 per cent in the month lagging the return of the wider market. Since inception In January 2012 the JIC Portfolio has returned 92.1 per cent which compares favourably with the 40.9 per cent total return of the FTSE All Share Index. The biotech/healthcare theme, about which I have been keen for some time, was the best area of performance, with the Biotech Growth Trust up 14.0 per cent, Worldwide HealthCare Trust up 9.1 per cent and Bioventix, a holding bought last October, up 10.3 per cent. Airline easyJet gained 11.4 per cent on the back of a strong quarterly trading update which led to a number of analysts upgrading forecasts and Vislink reacted well to an announcement of a tie-up with GoPro to enable high definition ‘live’ transmission of video from GoPro cameras. At the other end of the table, Crawshaw dropped 28 per cent on a trading update which was not strong enough to encourage new buyers, especially given a valuation which was anticipating some of the expected growth from its national rollout over the coming years. Gem Diamonds, another disappointment, dropped 19 per cent on the Chief Executive’s warning that diamond price weakness was likely to continue into the first quarter of 2015. Buying into US small companies and potentially revolutionary boilers I introduced some exposure to US smaller companies by adding a 4 per cent holding in JP Morgan US Smaller Companies Investment Trust, on the 2nd January at 174.5p. My rationale was that US smaller companies, having underperformed the wider market for most of last year, were playing catch up and with the US economy performing well could have a better year in 2015. Additionally I was happy to increase my exposure to the US dollar against sterling ahead of the UK General Election in May. I chose this particular trust as it has a pretty good medium and long term record against its benchmark, the Russell 2000, and its peer group. Towards the end of the month I added a new holding in Flowgroup, (between 23rd and 28th January at an average price of 39.2p). It was poorly timed! It has just launched a fully patented micro combined heat and power gas boiler. It is designed to replace existing domestic boilers and at the same time as providing heating it generates electricity thus saving consumers around £500 per annum on their fuel bills. The technology that Flowgroup has developed allows them to build a much simpler and thus cheaper CHP boiler than competitor offerings. It also has a compelling consumer proposition where the boiler is provided for just the cost of installation as long as the customer signs up to buy dual fuel from Flowgroup for five years. The finance is provided on a non-secured basis by peer-to-peer lender Zopa; the monthly savings on fuel pay off the loan. The potential is huge but successful implementation of its strategy is, as always, key. I added to a number of existing holdings; European Assets Trust, Crawshaw, Vislink, Interserve, BlackRock World Mining and Avation. I took my profits in Jupiter Fund Management in order to fund my purchase of JP Morgan US Smaller Companies, in Laird, where I was less than convinced by its trading statement and in Ted Baker where, as much as I love the company, I felt the 40 per cent move up since last August had left the valuation looking a little stretched. Why I like investment trusts By adding JP Morgan US Smaller Companies I now hold seven investment trust among my 29 holdings comprising 35.5 per cent of the portfolio by value. I have long been a fan of investment trusts as a way of gaining exposure to a theme, (biotech and mining for instance) or geographic regions where I do not have the expertise to pick stocks myself. One can often invest when the share price stands at a discount to net asset value with the expectation of the discount closing and in some cases moving to a premium; for example two trusts I hold, Fidelity Asian Values and BlackRock World Mining currently stand at discounts of more than 10 per cent and in the latter’s case, only a year ago it stood at a premium. The total annual charges on investment trusts are, in general, lower than with Open Ended Investment Companies, or funds as they are more commonly referred to. Finally, an Oeic manager has what might seem a ‘nice’ problem; when there are lots of new buyers of his fund he has lots of new cash to invest. This however, might lead to him being forced to buy stocks that no longer look attractive, thus driving the price up. Conversely, when flows move the other way, either due to a market correction or poor performance, the manager is forced to sell stocks to meet redemptions, thus driving the price down further. That is partly why towards the end of a ‘bear’ market you see stocks, especially less liquid smaller companies, being sold when the valuations look ludicrously cheap. The manager is being forced to sell! The manager of an investment trust however, has a stable portfolio to manage without daily inflows and outflows which I believe leads to better long term performance. Volatility in markets and individual stocks has picked up this year and it is difficult to see this skittish backdrop abating in the short term. Nevertheless, I can’t help feeling that some or all of the cash being printed by the ECB and the Japanese Central Bank will find its way into equity markets providing a decent amount of support, as will the boost to company profits from the lower oil price; increased demand and lower costs. THE JIC PORTFOLIO ON 31 JANUARY 2015 Name % of Portfolio Last date shares purchased Baillie Gifford Shin Nippon PLC 8.4 28/11/2014 Worldwide Healthcare Trust PLC 5.8 26/09/2014 European Assets Trust NV 5.2 22/01/2015 Fidelity Asian Values PLC 5.0 24/11/2014 easyJet PLC 5.0 15/12/2014 Intermediate Capital Group PLC 4.8 21/05/2014 AdEPT Telecom PLC 4.3 13/03/2014 JPMorgan US Smaller Companies IT PLC 4.1 02/01/2015 Crawshaw Group PLC 3.9 12/01/2015 Biotech Growth Trust (The) PLC 3.9 17/04/2014 St Ives PLC 3.9 18/09/2014 Interserve PLC 3.9 14/01/2015 Berkeley Group Holdings (The) PLC 3.6 14/10/2014 Polar Capital Holdings PLC 3.6 11/12/2014 Renew Holdings PLC 3.3 01/12/2014 Dixons Carphone PLC 3.1 19/05/2014 BlackRock World Mining Trust PLC 3.1 16/01/2015 Next PLC 3.0 08/10/2014 Vislink PLC 2.5 13/01/2015 French Connection Group PLC 2.4 30/10/2013 Sinclair Pharma PLC 2.3 29/08/2014 Gem Diamonds Ltd 2.3 03/11/2014 Avation PLC 2.2 22/01/2015 Regenersis PLC 2.0 24/09/2014 Flowgroup PLC 1.9 28/01/2015 Plastics Capital PLC 1.9 15/09/2014 Renold PLC 1.7 12/05/2014 Bioventix PLC 1.1 23/10/2014 Fox Marble Holdings PLC 1.0 10/12/2013 Cash deposit 0.7 THE DIARY OF A PRIVATE INVESTOR It's not just your own investments that matter, learning about others’ decisions and their outcomes is also important for investing success. That principle lies behind This is Money’s tradition of investing writing and John Rosier's column. John is a former fund manager who spent 26 years working in the City before deciding to start investing on his own account. He started a subscription website to detail his experience, JohnsInvestmentChronicle.com, where he offers a full and frank view of the investments he has made, the decision process and how they have done – disclosing and updating his portfolio as he buys and sells. We think this is an interesting proposition and adds to the sites out there for investors. In his This is Money column, John explains his recent buys and sells, takes a look at the wider market and provides detail on interesting shares, how he has valued them, their prospects. Shares and funds mentioned on This is Money are investing ideas and a starting point for research rather than personal recommendations. Whether to buy or sell a share or fund is your decision based on your personal situation and careful research. If you are unsure about investing please seek independent financial advice. Share or comment on this article by TaboolaSponsored Links Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/diyinvesting/article-2951123/The-Diary-Private-Investor-like-investment-trusts-FlowGroup.html#ixzz3ReL3JdkM Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
johnwise: Flowgroup plc Five year contract with Shell RNS Number : 4343I Tony Stiff, CEO of Flowgroup, commented: "We believe today's announcement could lead to a significant increase in the Company's revenue, cashflow and value prospects and also provide a readymade route to market for the Company's electricity-generating Flow boiler, as well as the broader range of energy products the Company intends to offer to its customers." http://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/london/flowgroup-plc-FLOW/share-news/Flowgroup-plc-Five-year-contract-with-Shell/69633588
megabear: Broker note from earlier: Flowgroup# (FLOW LN) – Share price move creates opportunity Buy 35.25p Key Points: Since release of its shareholder newsletter on Monday, Flowgroup’s shares have fallen dramatically. The company has now put out a statement confirming that they are not aware of any reason for the share price fall. Likewise we can see nothing in the newsletter or in the wider market to justify the weakness in the shares. One thing that may be causing some confusion is the launch price of the boiler and the finance package. If a customer goes down the finance route the overall cost will be £4,529.89. However, if they also switch supply to Flow and sign over the feed-in-tariff for five years, which would be normal under the finance route, then they will see a reduction in their home energy bill of £4,800 over that period. There is perhaps a suggestion in the market that this is an insufficient gain to attract customers. That would be to miss a key point – the customer also gets a brand new boiler. The target market, which Flow has signalled at 480,000 per annum, is principally concerned with replacing an existing boiler. Flow is offering to replace that boiler effectively for nothing and give the customer a financial upside. That should be very attractive and drive sales going forward. With 10,000 notes of interest ahead of the launch, the company appears well positioned to build material sales in 2015.
larry335: Blah blah. The reason the share price halved related to that RNS was in the headline "Reduction of boiler installations for 2015". Actually Zero sales have occurred in 2015. And the reason given for that was the VAT issue. This is true :-) What I note is that in a 2014 Newsletter, it states clearly that MCS accreditation was expected end 2014. Then no news on that. To get the accreditation the boiler is tested to show that it produces electricity reliably to claim the FIT. The key component is the scroll. We know they had problems with the scroll...then a financing RNS and who is making the Scroll now?....Jabil I believe. There is still a risk related to the MCS accreditation. I'm not sure how to quantify it though because FlowGroup have given no information about the previous MCS accreditation test results. So, yes we have to assume they are confident it will meet the requirements. "In the past six months Jabil and Flow have worked well as a team in preparation for the Flow Boiler relaunch. Significant progress has been made in supply chain, resilience, logistics, design and cost."
blah blah: The RNS that halved the share price was this one: http://www.investegate.co.uk/flowgroup-plc--flow-/rns/reduction-of-boiler-installations-for-2015/201506160700132385Q/ It's pretty clear the reason they gave was VAT related. I would think they are confident of FIT.
1fox1: Fundraising statement on the 30/04/2015. Everything going well. No problems http://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/london/flowgroup-plc-FLOW/share-news/Flowgroup-plc-Firm-Placing-Open-Offer/66635822
larry335: I get the meaning about companies promising Jam tomorrow. But this is always going to be the case with AIM companies who are developing products, technologies, drugs etc. I personally am prepared to take a higher risk in such a company because of the potential future returns i.e. if they were making jam today the share price would be higher with less future % potential return. I chose this company over other high risk shares for a number of reasons: 1) Management with fantastic credentials and proven track record in the industry (not some "wideboy" directors with shady pasts and a list of excuses and failures behind them). 2) Complete certified working product ready and launch planned (not some fancy tech or drug still in development). The boiler tech is known working stuff combined together, much lower risk (and cost) than fuel cell tech. 3) Manufacturing agreements in place with one of the world's top manufacturing companies (not "we are in talks to find a manufacturing partner"). Flow did not have to chase that Jabil deal for the boiler. After following due diligence Jabil came to Flow. Flow pay zero for the production capital costs. 4) Low cost of product and leverage to break into the market. 5) Patent for mCHP tech. My understanding is that the Flow's patent covers use of the scroll in an mCHP boiler i.e. no rival can start up with a direct copy. 6) Cash and an existing revenue stream. Sometimes the biggest question when looking at start up or developing/growing companies is "where is the money coming from to grow this business?" Flow easily managed to raise the £17m they required last year and now have cash in the bank to see them through the boiler launch and they have a growing revenue stream from the energy supply business. 7) The potential to easily expand production numbers of the boiler and sell to European market. I understand the Jabil plant in Livingston will initially have a capability of 30,000 boilers per year but can be scaled up if necessary, or the production line can be copied in other Jabil plants in other countries. I am open to correction or challenge from other posters on all of the points above but I would say the risk here is rather lower than the majority of AIM companies and the potential profits are not too distant. I think we should expect an update from the company end of July, maybe August on the schedule of the boiler launch i.e. if it is still on track. But there is also the trading of the share to think about, the existing SP, the chart, will the support hold? etc. I think I have a little understanding of human nature. For sure people are watching this and thinking "I like it, I want in, but I don't want to risk paying 29p. And look at the chart. If the share price falls through 27p where is the support?" So of course no-one knows for sure which way this will go in the short term. My feeling is that the share price will hold above 27p until the next significant news regarding the boiler and move depending on that. At least I hope so and that the next news is positive. GLAI
hopefulalways: Mr McGregor: Post 308 & 1fox1 Good posting but looked back and Tony Stiff had left the company Nov '09 The share price was around 50p which is when I got out.
hpcg: No one changes their boiler in the middle of winter if they can help it, that is literally the worst time to do it. There isn't any news to come in the near future. Stop wining about it. The share is clearly being shorted. It is being done so because it has mainly a retail following, there is a gap to news on the product success and the share price has a lot of success built in (all share prices do, but established companies are given the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate otherwise). I have no problem with this, I short plenty myself. There are plenty selling for the same reasons. I'm kicking myself for not unloading some when the immediate share price action was relatively predictable. Having said that its partly because I am under allocated here at about 3% and if sales perform to expectations I'd like to get to 10%. So swings and roundabouts, cheaper to build that position upon success, but a bigger hit if the opposite is the case. The biggest worry to me is if this share has any sort of following on muppet central LSE. p.s. I have all electric heating / hot water so I don't believe anyone could make a business out of these so called combi-boilers, conventional boilers, or mCHP boilers since all the research I've done indicates there are no installations of these alleged devices.

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