Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 30/7/2020 08:49

As it seems the season to quote views on various shares I'm quite excited of what I have found re VRS in the last week or so.

So you guys carry on and argue what may or may not be in the year end results, results are exactly going to set the world alight we all know that, blinkers are for horses to keep them focussed, for investors that wear them it can prove an expensive mistake.

'Look around' on all shares the ADVFN generally don't 99% of the time.

There is an awful lot of stuff around there, I recall a few years back 2 of us that research together found the result of tests where a small AIM company had the tests in play with Kraft.

It excited the BB but we found the actual test results sat on the web with Krafts name on it, the tests did not show gains, it would have been worth billions to Kraft. We never shared the find and walked on. I did try to warn PIs not to trust the BOD on the basis of finds and did call the company to get answers, they refused to talk and never reported the fail. They failed and disappeared off the AIM PIs losing plenty in the process.

Just saying look around there is an awful lot of 'stuff' buried on the web, usual basic word searches won't get you there.

EG the words Spearhead project which intrigued me, got me to the VRS ink solar panels in Crete. When 3 different scientists say spearhead I don't ignore the word, it was too obscure.

Hence spearhead project and few other bits got me to solar panels in Crete with VRS ink in them, that was 2 years ago when I found the project.

Solar panels got a mention here so I mentioned the Crete tests, the test concludes this year.

[vice versa] 30/7/2020 08:38

:) I'm testing new material for my nationwide one man tour after lockdown..... coming to a telephone box near u by 2027.Blame Kemche. Not using him as my scriptwriter again. :)

[superg1] 30/7/2020 08:36

Also things you may or may not know about them and personal relationships between the link up, which I do know about.

I'll happily pop over and start tearing it apart if you wish, piece by piece.

After all it has been brought up on here but I have, let that sleeping dog lie. CVD is a different sector to GNPs. VRS do have a foot in CVD, displayed in the Rolls Royce link up. It has always been there but not at the forefront. It's not something for now that interest me greatly re the VRS stable, but they may change.

Rather than chasing hype posts imo you should start looking for science papers on the topic and get to understand the team and their links (or fractured 'links' as the case may be)

[superg1] 30/7/2020 08:29

Scrutable

See you talk about VDTK.

Good run probably on hype, but as always imo investors should concentrate on the facts.

The paragraf step forward is the laying down of CVD graphene on surfaces where they don't need transfer.

Typically it was done on substrates like copper and transferred. Paragraf have a method to do it onto certain desired products.

CVD initially was all about computer chips but if you check the science of it, it's very tough to get the perfect formation with no breaks of the lattice (the hexagons), that in turns means you have a dud when it come sot a chip.

EG graphene supermarket 2" by 2" $395 but they state it has some holes and cracks in it.

The average residential solar panel is about 2,900 inches/2 that $395 covers 4 of them.

It's very expensive sector using the above $286K to cover a solar panel.

So if paragraf say they can do it cheaper you have an idea what they are suing to say they can make it cheaper, it's ridiculously expensive.

[kemche] 30/7/2020 08:25

SG1,
"If you can work out what, they are they you would know why VRS are very careful about who they do business with."

I would go as far as to say ultra careful.

[richgrumpa] 30/7/2020 08:16

Vice versa, I apologise if that was, indeed, an attempt at humour, but with so many folk around whose sole purpose is to discredit the company and it's personnel, perhaps a 'winky smile' might be appropriate :)

[superg1] 30/7/2020 08:13

Anley

Not too long ago Scrutable posted elsewhere suggesting graphene was only useful for a few uses, a clouded view from tracking Grapehenano (I think that's what they were called) graphite in lubricants, it wasn't graphene but they called it that.

Then he appeared saying it was going to be a world changer.

There are uses that I and perhaps a few others avoid discussing entirely, done so for very good reasons.


If you can work out what, they are they you would know why VRS are very careful about who they do business with.

The sound rate for the sector is trillions and graphene will feature in it, in many forms.

[alchemy] 30/7/2020 07:55

I repeat the old adage. Any form of humour is an achievement.

[luckykids] 30/7/2020 07:38

Wouldn't bother with humour viceverssa some are unable to see it

[richgrumpa] 30/7/2020 07:23

Vice versa, that's hilarious! The funniest conspiracy theory ever. Go away and find something useful to do....

[vice versa] 30/7/2020 06:28

Some L.T.H.s know that N.R. (a known accomplice) visited Scrutable in his home, possibly to discuss the tactics their gang should employ on here to trash the S.P. for their own nefarious gains. Be very cautious about listening to these dyed-in-the-wool plotters from their parlours.

[aquaesulis01] 30/7/2020 06:14

Agree re subject to related security measures, which vrs took legal advice on,the loan is done and dusted.

[1teepee] 30/7/2020 02:12

https://www.paragraf.com/article/paragraf-from-research-to-commercial-graphene-electronics/

[squire007] 30/7/2020 00:27

Well said and corrected .. :-) thx

[scrutable] 29/7/2020 23:48

I am not going to waste the short life I still have ahead of me on metaphysical discussion of graphene. I am still an LTH and have never sold one share in VRS.

Furthermore I totally trust Neill, and through him trust each member of the team. I fully understand the inference of Matt Walker and Daniel Smith leaving steady, promising careers to join the Versarien Team. I also fully understand the unpredictability of scientific discovery, innovation and commercial deployment and have the necessary patience to swallow the disappointment of expectations.

I do think that the company's handling of information re commercial and scientific progress could be improved without breaching NDAs, but will now wait to see if that has been improved on in the FY report soon due.

[mavfav] 29/7/2020 23:12

Avoid the mistruths portrayed by some on here to play down the company it's progress and Graphene as a whole. This is deliberate and utter nonsense.DYOR don't believe me or anyone else.You will note that it wasn't a concrete arch but why would the truth ever be spoken by some. Seek out CNCTArch and you'll find a product that won an AECOM project and design competition out of 700 entries. You will also see that this was subject to 6 months of meticulous testing which I believe proved the product to do exactly as intended. We just await confirmation I believe of TFL funding which we know Khan has messed up. You will also see that a person involved in the project and also named on the patent is now an employee of VRS a great addition to the team.You will also note that VRS are iNvolved in an R&D project with Winsun and was showcased at their recent event. In that they spoke of the significant benefits in their concrete There are so many organisations and skilled scientists focussing on the new technologies and the thing lacking is a quality of product which according to the Graphene Council we have that and it's been independently tested.It could be today, tomorrow, next week or next month, it doesn't matter as it will come and we will be involved. We have a tight team. We have selected very well. We are scaling up and maturing as a company. I personally feel lucky to have the team we have and there are too many to mention. China i believe will happen and the team are evolving the way it's done to benefit the company These are my own beliefs and I haven't included all by design.DYOR and make sound decisions based on that. Understand the reasons why someone who does not own stock or is continually negative and says they hold (BS) and you will see that they are betting against the share price and trying to influence others for their own gain as a non shareholder.I know nooothing

[sammydog1] 29/7/2020 22:39

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION WITH THE LOAN THIS IS WHAT WAS STATED IN THE NEWS ON THE 1ST OF JULY............ GBP5 million Innovate UK Loan Agreement
Versarien plc (AIM: VRS), the advanced materials engineering group, is pleased to announce that the Company has been awarded a legally binding GBP5 million loan facility ("the Loan") by Innovate UK Loans Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of UK Research and Innovation.......... THE MAIN PART HERE IS (THE LEGALLY BINDING GB 5 MILLION LOAN FACILITY) END OF STORY.

[woodpeckers] 29/7/2020 21:53

For those concerned that we will not get products to market...ask yourselves these questions..

- Would the government have pumped the amount of money that they have into the NGI, The GEIC, Henry Royce Institute?

- Would Dr Denis Koltsov and Dr Martin Kemp have joined VRS?

- Would Iain Gray, Susan Bowen and James Stewart have agreed to become NEDs?

- Would Daniel Smith have left a great job with a huge global company like AECOM to join us?

- Would Matt Walker have left the DTI to join our team unless he thought the prospects were so exciting he just couldn't pass up on the opportunity.....?

I don't think so...but if you think you understand the industry better than they do and think they're wrong then why waste time here?

[alchemy] 29/7/2020 21:16

Applications.Concrete?

[richgrumpa] 29/7/2020 19:10

I suppose Cathy is still giving Clubbie grief over his huge losses here, at Iofina and heaven knows however many other places, and hence the need to vent his spleen here from time to time.Very sad...

[stellainvests1977] 29/7/2020 18:26

Probably like the rest of us slightly concerned that those seeds aren't producing a crop

[tmoon] 29/7/2020 18:19

Crikey SCRUTABLE you seem to have changed your tune from the days when you drew an analogy with a farmer sowing his seeds and the first shoots of a crop.