Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[jointer13] 30/10/2019 07:14

it sure aint rocket science ff

that's why the chines are mad after our quality materials.

from provincial to national.

"it just exploded"..mw.

[forestfred] 30/10/2019 07:03

Jointer13
Fully agree

Common sense says if you were a large global who wanted to develop products with graphene.

So who would want to have a collaboration with .

1 a company whose product has not had it’s quality verified but makes lots of claims about it .

2
A company that has verified graphene and is the only one globally and is backed by its countries government and a university that won the Nobel prize for its discovery as a start .

That’s not rocket science is it :-)
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[jointer13] 30/10/2019 06:52

i see some are playing down the importance of having graphene materials verified, quite unbelieveable really.

I would say its very important.

plenty of info out there.

there is a lot of fake graphene out there...poor quality material.

Imagine a world in which antibiotics could be sold by anybody, and were not subject to quality standards and regulations. Many people would be afraid to use them because of the potential side effects, or because they had no faith that they would work, with potentially fatal consequences.

"seems that the high-profile scientific discoveries, technical breakthroughs and heavy investment in graphene have created a Wild West for business opportunists: the study shows that some producers are labelling black powders that mostly contain cheap graphite as graphene, and selling them for top dollar."

In a review of material specification sheets for 60 graphene products, The Graphene Council found that more than 45 different material characteristics were listed, but not one of them was common to all of the materials claiming to be graphene. In fact, less than 75% of the products reviewed shared a common listed specification.

"This makes it impossible for a buyer to compare materials from different suppliers without actually testing each sample, and a full graphene sample characterization by a world-class lab costs approximately $12-15,000 - per sample!"

"Successful commercialisation of graphene materials requires not only the ability to produce graphene to a declared specification, but to be able to do so at a commercial scale. It is nearly impossible for a graphene customer to verify the type of material they are receiving without going through an expensive and time-consuming process of having sample materials fully characterised by a laboratory that has the equipment and expertise to test graphene."

Versarien plc (AIM: VRS), the advanced materials engineering group, is pleased to announce that the Company is the first graphene company in the world to successfully complete the Graphene Council's "Verified Graphene Producer" programme (the "Programme").

The US-based Graphene Council's Programme is an independent, third party verification system that involves a physical inspection of the production facilities, a review of the entire production process, a random sampling of product material and rigorous characterisation and testing by a leading, international materials laboratory. The Programme is based on the most recent developments in globally recognised graphene standards, surveys of graphene producers, researchers and users, as well as analysis of commercially available graphene products.

The Graphene Council have designed the Programme to be an important step in providing customers and end-users with a degree of confidence, that has not existed before, that they are sourcing material from a reputable supplier, bringing transparency and clarity to a rapidly changing and opaque market for graphene materials.

"This is a huge validation of our technology and will enable our partners and potential customers to have confidence that the graphene we produce meets globally accepted standards."

this makes us quite unique.

we know what we have... and so do a lot of others.

orders ready to come...as per rns's.

and you know what...we have got to this stage of our development quite rapidly.

quite amazing really.

don't listen to the bashers.

we are right at the forefront of the graphene revolution.

[forestfred] 30/10/2019 06:14

Dudishes

He is the one with the 500k plus pot made from investing on the aim market.

So I would also like to add clever ,astute ,entrepreneurial and well done to the list you posted .

Certain individuals have been knocking vrs to hell for years since 15p share price so nothing new there .

I would imagine a lot of people are excited to hold 500k or any amount of Versarien shares right now with Versarien being the only verified graphene provider globally .

And in collaborations with top global companies from different sectors .
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[dudishes] 29/10/2019 23:38

ridicule, rather brave (£500K) risk on AIM? TW knockin it to hell, very brave? Or damn stupid with your money?

[ridicule] 29/10/2019 23:24

Tini You have just edited and amended your post above following my response to you. You seem to be pretty disingenuous.

It’s got absolutely nothing to do with My wallet, it has got everything to do with my exposure. I am not scampering to morale high ground or looking down on people. Stop making completely unfounded assertions. I am trying to have a grown up debate on investing and determinedly standing up against vitriolic, outrageous and foul mouthed profanities posted on here by the likes of Luckyorange.

[ridicule] 29/10/2019 22:47

TiniS sick. If you cannot see that is a very high level of support for VRS which was the point being made to refute the outrageous claims made by Luckyorange.

[tini5] 29/10/2019 22:28

“How many VRS shares do [sic] have? Does your personal wealth vary by £8,500 for every 1p movement in the VRS share price?“

You can’t scamper for the moral high ground and then swing at people you consider beneath you with your wallet.

[loglorry1] 29/10/2019 22:25

You can all keep on repeating what Neill tells you but the simple fact is there have been no material sales and that is completely inconsistent with all these things Neill tells you.

Sadly each time any sort of investigation into these claims takes place it turns out they are rather superficial or not at all what you might expect. BIGT turns out to be a strange entity which has no office/website/phone number. We are told it is meant to be that way and are directed to CIGUI which set up BIGT. So we look at that and it makes all sorts of claims on its website that are suspicious e.g. 18 international offices. When we ask for the London one we are met with silence.

We are told Gnanomat has world class IP and was a fantastic acquistion. As a happy side effect it allowed a load of cash to be raised. On closer inspection there seems to be not very much to it. A couple of guys and a failing business which had to raise money to stay afloat or die. Where has the newsflow been since VRS bought it?

We are told Patrick Abbott is incredibly well connected and he is crushing sales stateside. An endless stream of tweets promotes his success across the pond. Then he has to be dismissed as he's up on fraud charges. The replacement is silent and newsflow grinds to a halt there. The US office looks like a Regus managed office and the new head of US doesn't even put VRS on his linked in profile (might be there now).

I'm afraid that whenever you look more than skin deep at anything going on at VRS red flags emerge.

It's a very interesting company and a great soap opera. Long may it continue.

[ridicule] 29/10/2019 22:19

You still do not get it Lucky. I did have 1.3m shares some months ago. My risk reward risk management cantilever investment since I first invested in VRS way back meant that instead of reducing my residue to 600k, I was able to contain it at 850k bottom. Given the lack of orders on the VRS journey as it has delivered so far during 2019, contrary to expectations, I consider my current holding represents significant and loyal support to VRS. How many VRS shares do have? Does your personal wealth vary by £8,500 for every 1p movement in the VRS share price? You paint yourself as a highly committed investor, but if the answers to my two questions are in the negative, I and others that you are so ready to vilify are for more committed to supporting VRS than you are.

There’s more, if my diversified investments move up over the coming weeks or months the extra fire power will be re-invested back into VRS if, as you constantly predict vrs will take off if everyone is patient. I am managing dynamics, you are sitting on your sunk investment waiting for growth to come over time. I have no interest in manipulating others as you unpleasantly infer. Indeed if the VRS committed investment without any reaction to circumstances is the fantastic opportunity route you say it is, any shares I may sell will be instantly mopped up by eager buyers.

Woody you make some fair points, particularly the level of cash that NR managed to raise at the time of the Gnanomat acquisition. Agreeing to swap shares instead of cash with the Gnanomat Directors @ 1.50 was a master stroke. That is why I am still invested at the level I am.

Mandatory, Thank you for Your kind words. Although you quoted me, your approach applies to everyone who aspires to have a civilised debate. Ignore Lucky-oranges vicious response, you are better than the level of debate that he keeps dragging the Board down to.

[forestfred] 29/10/2019 21:34

Loglorry
We’re Dammed if we do and dammed if we don’t, with your view point.

Ref Other companies and verified graphene.

I guess because they have not got what we have got :-)
Why would they not apply if they had similar quality , as it’s a win win .

So I guess we’re simply the best ....
better that all the rest .
Only verified graphene on the planet .



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[forestfred] 29/10/2019 21:21

Loglorry
Who are you backing at the moment do please tell .
As you are very vocal
On Vrs .

We are looking for share price growth over a realistic term not share price decrease which you seem to promote .
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[tim3416] 29/10/2019 20:57

Read my post again Loggie. The MAJORITY of collaborations announced by VRS are less than 2 years old but of course that doesn't fit with your anti VRS deramping rhetoric does it. You are getting lazy Loggie bear...lol

[bbmsionlypostafter] 29/10/2019 20:38

hattie,

Can you tell me what "the only certified graphene producer in the world at commercial scale" actually means?

What benefit is the certification to TOOP?

Why have no other manufacturers bothered to get such certification?

TIA.

[loglorry1] 29/10/2019 20:37

What like this collaboration with Warwick Manufacturing

3.5 years old. A leader in battery technology with the worlds best graphene and as yet nothing.

[hattie1] 29/10/2019 20:28

Just for the record Versarien remain the only certified graphene producer in the world at commercial scale....

[tim3416] 29/10/2019 20:21

Oh Loggie please, you are like a broken record! What absolute dribble! Four years?? The majority of collaborations announced by VRS are less than 2 years old and you know it. Yet more mischief making from the pantomime villain...oh no it isn't, oh yes it is lol

[loglorry1] 29/10/2019 20:02

What a compliment to call me the opposite of SuoerG. I've challenged people here to find anything factually innacurate I've posted on #VRS and nobody has. All SuperG does is mouth off and make stuff up.

Here's a question for the bulls. If Nanene is the one and only reue graphene out there then why after nearly four years of collaborations has VRS failed to sell any (other than tiny test samples) where other companies like NanoXplore have sold hundreds of tonnes of their product?

I'm aware the likes of SuperG thinks NanoXplore sells Graphite but their spec sheets say differently and the rumour is they are supplying Ford after XGS dropped out.

[luckyorange] 29/10/2019 19:21

Mandatory and 13 others trading it then lol. My maths is awry if we are talking no.'s and 200k extra when in fact that is not the case as it was over a million shares that Ridicule purportedly had, someone correct me if I am wrong on that.

Traders thread then?

[woodpeckers] 29/10/2019 18:38

Rid raised the topic of 'the market cap when measured against the gap between the hope value And the value the market would apply when looking at fundamentals'....

Interesting subject for discussion....in the US they would look at it totally differently to us more conservative Brits...possibly why their new techs tend to thrive ....

I think this is where some of 'lose each other'...there is a core of serious investors here who, helped considerably by the Team's efforts to ensure that we are aware that this is not a 'quick buck' share, are aware that we need to chill and let things play out.

The writing is on the wall as far as I'm concerned... over this last year we are seeing the likes of AECOM and Tetrapak (HUGE companies ...just in case anyone didn't know....) happy to publicly say 'graphene is the future'...

For me, the 'hope value' as Rid calls it is worth way more than the current added value.

We have a company that is 'self funding' (thanks to Neill's foresight) in that we have a good income in the base companies supporting our new technologies.

We have unparallelled support from the UK Gov...

The product is not one...Neill has ensured that this company is as derisked as it can be...

If anyone thinks there are better 'risks' good luck!

[mandatory] 29/10/2019 18:02

Ridicule,

Just wanted to say (in a more personal manner than a tick) that I think you have conducted yourself in an exemplary manner in view of the way some people on here have spoken to you.

You’re perfectly entitled to sell VRS shares and buy them back again as you see fit without being labelled some kind of enemy to VRS. The 200k you have increased your holding by is sadly more than my entire holding.

This isn’t a holy crusade, it’s business. As the facts change, so should ones opinion.

I remain hopeful for VRS.

[billwave] 29/10/2019 17:53

Well thank you for at least being able to sympathise with some part of my concern. You could always try and civilly respond to any questions presented to try and clarify the status of all of the collaborations etc pinned within the header? Surely if they can be pinned up there for the purpose of promotion, which they most certainly are, they should at least be able to stand up to scrutiny? If they can't then the moderator of that board is as responsible as NR for over promotional methods and tactics. Is that not fair? I'm not bad mouthing, I have not tried to provoke other investors into selling their holding, I have presented facts in the only way I can see them for the purpose of debate which is no more than you do. I remain interested in the unfolding story, I don't wish to argue or be rude but I am interested in, and welcome factual debate when it occasionally presents itself here. Best regards.