Scancell Share Discussion Threads

[tosh123] 12/2/2019 07:38

ineptico,
you still dont understand, even after many explanations, you're painfully slow..

i quote .." What you are buying is a contract between yourself and the CFD provider "

Absolutely, but your CFD is hedged against the market by the provider... A CFD is NOT a spread bet, as under the terms of a CFD, you get the " performance of the share " , whereas under a spread bet, you only get the " performance of the share PRICE "... the two are totally different and have major implications which need to be hedged against, especially in small, illiquid shares.
Now please just go back to you hovel... YOU ARE WRONG.

Ivy,
its really basic stuff, he just cant grasp it.
Ultimately, the CFD provider is required to hedge himself... A CFD is NOT a spread bet.

[ivyspivey] 11/2/2019 18:39

Tosh.
Makes total sense to me that CFD trading exact conditions will vary depending on individual share liquidity/the potential liability so whether majority position is long or short.
So for eg if IG feel that on a small cap illiquid share a lot of shorters are liable for a big amount if it goes against them they may want to reduce the risk of the shorter defaulting by asking for a proportion of the money up front( to reduce the risk to them).
Whilst on a large FTSE liquid stock they may be less risk averse.
I don’t know anything about CFDs but appreciate your undoubted experience in these matters.
TIA

[inanaco] 11/2/2019 17:48

you should Argue with IG . not me ..

CFD trading is very similar to shares trading except that when you trade a contract for difference you don't own the underlying share. Unlike investing in stocks, when you trade CFDs, you are not buying or trading the underlying asset. What you are buying is a contract between yourself and the CFD provider.

[tosh123] 11/2/2019 17:26

Researcher1 is RIGHT.

[tosh123] 11/2/2019 17:24

Wrong wrong wrong.... now leave this BB you're just cluttering it up with your totally uneducated nonsense.

[tosh123] 11/2/2019 17:22

ineptico,
You honestly dont understand what you're talking about.
As well as the " net " position of any given stock being hedged via the underlying, ALL iliquid stocks are hedged 100%... hence why you can only ever trade a percentage of the average daily traded volume of any given share... eg ;- contrary to your ludicrous statement about being able to trade 500 mill in SCLP, YOU CANT, and all small cap stocks are limited to what the CFD provider can cover via the Hedge , in fact, its impossible to trade many of the FTSE 450 or AIM stocks via a CFD , because the provider CANT HEDGE HIS POSITION VIA THE PHYSICAL .... Its that simple.

No jog on, theres a good lad.

[terror] 11/2/2019 17:05

There will be a holding RNS shortly

[ivyspivey] 11/2/2019 15:40

Gazza,After I tell her I wish I had never thought of it.
DIVORCE

[gazza] 11/2/2019 15:31

Ivy, never thought of that, that's genius -

Send the wife out to work. There was me thinking I'd have to carry on working. Thanks!

[ivyspivey] 11/2/2019 15:20

Definitely attend the AGM,steal the biscuits and let them know my feelings.
Will then be able to go to pub feeling relaxed and beg for drinks or simply go home and hit the whisky,before telling the wife she has to find a job.

[gazza] 11/2/2019 14:57

In the event your investment in scancell nosedived (more than it is already) and you only had £50, would you?

a) Buy more shares in Scancell
b) use it to buy petrol to go to the AGM
c) Go down the pub and drown your sorrows

[ivyspivey] 11/2/2019 14:40

Inlodtbthe= lost the lot before the grammar police have their say

[oldnotwise] 11/2/2019 14:40

Ah Fatberg lumps are starting to appear in the flow.... Bet they multiply massively in the next few minutes...
ATB

[ivyspivey] 11/2/2019 14:39

P7,
Only 20k and again confident it will prove astute at some point in future.I can assure you I will be much more vocal in my criticism of the BOD at AGM this time around if this continues its drop.
However,I may well be drowned out by other investors who follow your lead of last year.
In the meantime it is only the money even if Inlodtbthe lot I could still afford the petrol money to Oxford and back lol

[inanaco] 11/2/2019 14:38

ONW

"""2012 /2013 for investors to go "all in") they've also been massively diluted in terms of IP ownership ""

Nobody will agree with that one ... ONW

Even Bermuda would accept the IP has jumped in leaps and bounds to what was proposed even including the investor day ...

in 2012 we looked forward only to SCIB1 phase 2 trials ...
2013 had the addition of Moditope

even with dilution that ip has had a massive impact of the pipeline side and potential efficacy of the pipeline

if you just looked at Capital raised on one side to IP gained on the other

and the share price is now back to 2012 level .. with the MCap more representative of what's been invested

sp is showing no return on capital ... when clearly that is not the case on the IP side

[inanaco] 11/2/2019 14:30

wow ! hang on Tosh .. you admitted that you did not take all your capital

hence they became ""freebies with an average""

[oldnotwise] 11/2/2019 14:30

Simply an observation, but it could be a thought for those who want to consider all possibilities.
IF Scancell is such an outstanding Company, and IF Scancell's IP is so far out in front of every other similar company, then how do we reconcile that with other Companies' share price vis a vis Scancell's over the last six years.
There's (apparently no risk) in holding Scancell shares.
IF that's the case, when will the no risk return become apparent?
Anyone who bought Scancell nearly seven years ago has not only (probably) seen their capital diminished, but IF they have subsequently been unable to purchase more shares (Don't forget the advice in 2012 /2013 for investors to go "all in") they've also been massively diluted in terms of IP ownership.
Their CAPITAL has also been reduced by inflation and also by Opportunity Cost.
So for anyone who Purchased shares and continued to purchase shares (as advised) there's an immediate problem in claiming they hold a great investment.
ANYONE however who purchased shares and then took profit and recvovered their original investment whilst holding their profit (or a proportion of it ) in Scancell shares, seems to me to be in a rather better position.
Not only do they hold their original investment in cash, BUT they have a holding in the BEST INVESTMENT there is in the Bio sector (apperently)
Whilst they may not have taken their profit out, they run an interest which means they will profit "when Scancell rules the world". They also have the opportunity to build larger holdings than many here can dream of (if they wish) at levels of Average 40% BELOW that of JC... so ther's a thing! Given the somewhat lacklustre performance of Scancell over the last seven years (against the advice of many who claimed nothing could go wrong)how can someone who only risks a PROFIT be in the same boat as someone who has been accumulating shares with no consideration of risk? The PROFIT Risker's capital is SAFE. The "All In" advisor has (to date)lost much of his CAPITAL.
So I'd like to know why anyone who took a profit and left a holding and then had the sense not to increase their holding whilst cautioning against wild overenthusiasm is the person who's being mocked?
It makes no sense to me....
But then, this is a Scancell BB....
Not so much Grimm, more Alice in Wonderland.... muttered the White rabbit as he dashed around looking at his watch....and wondering when the Queen of Hearts would eventually cry,
"Off with his Head"...
It must be a worry for some "prophets".
AIMO
ATB

[inanaco] 11/2/2019 14:02

Exactly Gazza ...

Tosh ..

""" The man who predicted his own shareholding value collapse """

and actually welcomed it ... by declaring ... "I was Right" "i am Proven"

[panama7] 11/2/2019 14:00

Ivy, I very rarely comment on Investors buying or selling. I was just curious as to why you bought before the confirmation of the IND. Let's face it they have now had a minimum of 4 months to sort what we were told was a minor issue, we were told that the trial was on track to commence H1 but how on earth can the trial be on track without an IND. This BOD never fail to let Investors down . With the share price at it's lowest for 8 years how on earth can the BOD justify it's remuneration, they won't get away with fobbing us off at the next AGM.

[gazza] 11/2/2019 13:55

>so why didn't you sell "all" years ago and Buy back on the 11/02/2019<<br />
Well, if only I knew what was going to happen before it happened, I'd be a multi millionaire by now lol!

[inanaco] 11/2/2019 13:45

Tosh you have been saying this for years ..........



tosh123 - 04 Feb 2019 - 17:22:08 - 19301 of 19617 Using immunology to fight cancer. - SCLP
DE,
I will continue to hold no matter what, im just intrigued as to what the BOD are going to do next.


You have held while claiming to know the future .... !!

so why didn't you sell "all" years ago and Buy back on the 11/02/2019


You are the only man on the planet who Tells the world """its Ending""" while not taking the Virgin To Mars Hospitality Ride ..

To watch it all from a distance

[gazza] 11/2/2019 13:43

Bermuda/Loz,

I've already stated that Scancell is my worst performing stock of all time. Real men don't have a problem owning up!

[tosh123] 11/2/2019 13:37

Not the greatest of sights today....5p now very close.
Now who was it that predicted 6p ( quite a few of us ) and who was it that predicted £1 - £6 - £8 ? oh yeah, i remember.

And to make his lack of understanding even more apparent, he now states that he cant see Researcher1 's name against trades on the print .... you cant make this stuff up.

You have to laugh at the idiot.

[bermudashorts] 11/2/2019 13:37

Loz, lol, walked straight into that one.