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[geckotheglorious] 03/2/2022 12:04

”Excellent natural immunity confirmed – Dr John Campbell” 25mins

Natural immunity as protective as vaccine induced immunity


So Natural immunity is AT LEAST as protective as vaccine induced immunity in the first instance.

Obviously "immunity derived from whole of virus" is going to be longer lasting than immunity derived from "Spike protein focused" vaccines..

Common sense tells you such. The depth of the protection is wider and deeper from "whole of virus" exposure.

Hence the comment about vaccine protection focusing on "Whole of virus" rather than just Spike protein.

[geckotheglorious] 03/2/2022 11:42

torquayfan
Post 48298
"Inan - the first 7 minutes on BBC R4 'Inside Health' - Prof Beate Kampmann, the Director of The Vaccine Centre at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
She emphasises that vaccine induced immunity is much stronger than natural immunity"

This is nonsense.

How can vaccine immunity(which focuses on the spike protein ONLY) be superior to natural immunity (which focuses on the "whole of the virus")

Exposure to the whole of the virus obviously gives you better protection than a vaccine focusing only on the spike protein part of the virus.




"Around 4 mins - she notes the need for vaccines to address the whole if the virus"

So clearly she knows her claim that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity is utter lies!!!

She is pushing a "political narrative" and knows damn well that natural immunity from infection is superior to vaccine spike protein only inspired protection.

[geckotheglorious] 03/2/2022 11:38

supernumerary
Post 48296
"'immense natural immunity' lol
Do you never get tired of spouting nonsense?"


You're the one spouting nonsense.




”The high cost of disparaging Natural Immunity to Covid”

Finally last week, the CDC released data from New York and California, which demonstrated natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times as effective in preventing Covid infection compared with vaccination.

[gazza] 03/2/2022 10:40

"your bet is years away , and its not ?8 but ?4"Lol, trying to wriggle out already?

[gazza] 03/2/2022 10:39

" I find the absence of any buying at these low levels by the big investors encouraging."Why?

[marcusl2] 03/2/2022 09:03

“I really believe we can start using the word cure,” said the pioneer of chimeric antigen receptor T-cell (CAR T) therapy Carl June, as he revealed two leukemia patients he treated in a phase I trial have now been in remission for 10 years.

Maybe we can get a deal for the antibodies to be made into Car T.

Maybe Moditope for a TCR.

[marcusl2] 03/2/2022 08:47

Ivy,

I find the absence of any buying at these low levels by the big investors encouraging.

Hoping for news soon.

[ivyspivey] 03/2/2022 08:29

Anyone have any thoughts on why this has fallen back towards bottom of trading range after the recent RNS and been more positivity amongst pharma sticks on AUM today

[oldnotwise] 03/2/2022 08:00

17.555/17.85

[inanaco] 03/2/2022 07:51

sorry I was overwhelmed with emotion when we learnt you had bought another 1.1m shares at 20p and above ....

your bet is years away , and its not £8 but £4

[gazza] 03/2/2022 07:47

"do you see where i am coming from "Yes, you've gone very quite on the topic of our bet.

[inanaco] 03/2/2022 07:43

Gazza

""She emphasises that vaccine induced immunity is much stronger than natural immunity""

so why are cancer vaccines so difficult ?

do you see where i am coming from ?

[gazza] 03/2/2022 07:32

TF, Thanks, very good piece. The 118 vaccines are in clinical trial. There are 334 vaccine candidates in development.

[inanaco] 03/2/2022 07:22

Tf its being discussed already

if folks don't understand the importance of High Avidity .... I suggest all these world renowned "experts" on vaccines

Develop a "cancer " version

wait for the failure rate

[torquayfan] 03/2/2022 02:23

Inan - the first 7 minutes on BBC R4 'Inside Health' - Prof Beate Kampmann, the Director of The Vaccine Centre at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

She emphasises that vaccine induced immunity is much stronger than natural immunity. There are 118 next generation vaccines in development atm. Antibodies are the 'lowest hanging fruit' thus get measured to watch immunity.

Around 4 mins - she notes the need for vaccines to address the whole if the virus and around 6 mins, says the advent of the next generation vaccines is one year off.



One for you Inan ?

Edit - the 118 are 'in trial' atm and I'm guessing most might be defined as 2nd generation rather than 3rd.

[panama7] 03/2/2022 01:06

Super, do tell me who are these qualified Doctors and Scientists that work for Full Fact , please show me some of their peer reviewed papers that makes them qualified to talk about a pandemic. I assume they are far more qualified than the Doctor's they are demonising.

[supernumerary] 03/2/2022 00:24

'immense natural immunity' lol

Re the jabs:

Do you never get tired of spouting nonsense?

Anyway, I get tired of reading it, so good night, sleep well.

[torquayfan] 03/2/2022 00:21

Omicron - an end to the Pandemic ? The arrival of Omicrons has been discussed with regard to the future of Covidity. IMO there's lots of interest in this 'Nature' article . . . 'Rapid spread', 'Difficult to model', 'Vaccination differences', 'Waning protection' and :-

""So, how will it end? Not with Omicron, researchers predict. “This will not be the last variant, and so the next variant will have its own characteristics,” Medley says. Given that the virus is unlikely to disappear completely, COVID-19 will inevitably become an endemic disease, scientists say. But that’s a slippery concept, and one that means different things to different people. “I think it’s the expectation that the general behaviour is somehow towards the situation where we have so much immunity in the population that we would no longer see very deadly epidemics,” says Sebastian Funk, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

The transition to endemicity, or “living with the virus” without restrictions and safeguards, is difficult to model with any accuracy, he adds. That’s partly because even the best disease models struggle to make sensible forecasts beyond a few weeks ahead. It’s also because endemicity reflects a judgement call on how many deaths societies are willing to tolerate while the global population steadily builds up immunity.

For Woolhouse, COVID-19 will truly become endemic only when most adults are protected against severe infection because they have been exposed multiple times to the virus as children, and so have developed natural immunity. That will take decades, and it means many older people today (who were not exposed as children) will remain vulnerable and might need continued vaccinations. That strategy has its flaws. Some of those exposed as children will develop long COVID. And it relies on children continuing to show much lower rates of severe illness as variants evolve.

There are no guarantees that the next variant will be milder, but Tang says that seems to be the pattern so far. “This virus is getting milder and milder with each iteration,” he says.""



Surely in the future, vaccination covering Covid viruses will become as routine as those for 'flu?

[panama7] 03/2/2022 00:09

Was Doris ever on death's door. He allegedly nearly died due to Covid so why on earth would he have taken the Vax , he would have had immense natural immunity, he would have been surrounded by World class Physicians who would have advised against the vax.

[supernumerary] 02/2/2022 23:44

panny - not strong on irony are you? Remind me again - when was it Boris was knocking on death's door thanks to covid? Before or after the parties started? :¬)

[panama7] 02/2/2022 20:42

Supernun, there was no jab at the time and if you honestly think they were socially distance then your brain cells have been affected by the jab.

[supernumerary] 02/2/2022 20:19

They were observing social distancing :¬)

Or just possibly jabbed to the eyeballs :¬))