Shell Share Discussion Threads

[essentialinvestor] 12/3/2020 19:57

FB, 31, bloody hell. Sorry for your loss.

[fardels bear] 12/3/2020 19:33

I stopped my 1150p limit buy. It was just falling so fast I thought I'd wait and see what tomorrow brings.

[grupo guitarlumber] 12/3/2020 19:31

Dow drops more than 8%, heads for biggest one-day plunge since 1987 market crash
Published Wed, Mar 11 20206:06 PM EDTUpdated 28 min ago
Fred Imbert
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Thomas Franck
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[fardels bear] 12/3/2020 19:31

Thanks. :/It was 30 years ago. She was 31.

[essentialinvestor] 12/3/2020 19:20

Pneumomia can be very dangerous. It kills about 50,000 people in the US each year,
many will be immunocompromised or elderly. It does not make headlines
as it's pretty much a constant.

Pneumomia is not the same as flu, although there are similarities.

[fardels bear] 12/3/2020 19:12

My first wife died of cervical cancer, but what actually killed her, and was given as the cause of death on the certificate, was hypostatic pneumonia.

[poikka] 12/3/2020 18:47

Makes sense, guys. Anyway, still going to Argentine tango, but loadsa washing of hands and no kissing - which is tough...Stay well.

[grupo guitarlumber] 12/3/2020 18:42

Poikka
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Thing is, what fiscal expenditure would work in the short term?

Sure the US, and a number of other countries, could do with infrastructure spending, but that takes a long time to kick in. It looks as if what's needed are short to medium term measures to take us through the virus. Headline grabbing stuff. Or are governments going to sit it out until the virus has more or less played out? Any ideas?

Or should governments just say, "sod it, get on with life, more folk die from 'flu every year" (not sure if that's true). Be a very brave politician who said that.

What puzzles me is why Italy appears to have a 7% death rate, and that's not taking account of the lag between illnesses being reported and deaths, whilst others appear to have a 1%'ish death rate.



Could it be a question of reporting cases

non serious cases not being reported in italy

in other countries mild cases are overely reported

Does WHO set the general standards of reporting

how many months do we now wait for some sort reiable explanation


no doubt well before November

[watfordhornet] 12/3/2020 18:32

More likely those mildly affected are at home and not tested. Therefore only those impacted significantly are going in/calling for help.Same will happen here - medical guy suggested between 5 and 10k probably have it. 10 deaths against that looks far better than against 500 people which is what is reported

[poikka] 12/3/2020 18:29

926, those 'tools' also have to inspire confidence, which is what's lacking.

[waldron] 12/3/2020 18:26

DOES ITALY HAVE MORE VERY OLD PEOPLE

YOU KNOW THE ITALIANS ARE RENOWN FOR LIVING LONGER BECAUSE OF OLIVE OIL



DO TOO CRUISE SHIPS VISIT ITALIAN PORTS UP NORTH

COULD THERE BE A CORRELATION REGARDING TOURISTS VISITS

[heialex1] 12/3/2020 18:19

Direct intervention in marketsHelicopter money to consumers and companies.Interest free credit lines.Lots of tools left if they are needed

[poikka] 12/3/2020 18:13

Thing is, what fiscal expenditure would work in the short term?

Sure the US, and a number of other countries, could do with infrastructure spending, but that takes a long time to kick in. It looks as if what's needed are short to medium term measures to take us through the virus. Headline grabbing stuff. Or are governments going to sit it out until the virus has more or less played out? Any ideas?

Or should governments just say, "sod it, get on with life, more folk die from 'flu every year" (not sure if that's true). Be a very brave politician who said that.

What puzzles me is why Italy appears to have a 7% death rate, and that's not taking account of the lag between illnesses being reported and deaths, whilst others appear to have a 1%'ish death rate.

[poikka] 12/3/2020 18:00

Agree with that, essential, but Brussels and Washington are still fiddling away - unless I've missed summat.

[essentialinvestor] 12/3/2020 17:51

ady, it's huge fiscal spending next, that looks the direction of travel.
Infrastructure etc.

[cassini] 12/3/2020 17:51

amaretto,

Looking at AVIVA at the moment.

Would like to buy one of the airline stocks like DTG/WIZZ but no idea at all what they should be priced at so, no...

Miners - I like RIO (also BHP/GLEN etc) but looks like they got whacked today. Even the silver/gold miners like HOC/CEY/FRES got muntered.

For the risk averse (or is it?) RAVP is a preference share, cumulative and perpetual, paying over 11.4% now. If you don't know already, 'Preference', meaning you get paid first before the ordinary shares, 'cumulative', meaning if the company (Raven Properties) hasn't enough cash to pay they still owe you and 'perpetual' meaning it's not a share they can cancel at their leisure at face value (they behave like perpetual bonds really). The downside - it's a Russian based company ;0)

[waldron] 12/3/2020 17:51

Brent Crude Oil NYMEX 35.03 -5.91%
Gasoline NYMEX 0.91 -17.82%
Natural Gas NYMEX 1.90 -1.25%
WTI 31.37 USD -5.21%


FTSE 100
5,237.48 -10.87%
Dow Jones
22,212.8 -5.69%
CAC 40
4,044.26 -12.28%
SBF 120
3,293.54 -9.78%
Euro STOXX 50
2,545.23 -12.17%
DAX
9,161.13 -12.24%
Ftse Mib
15,246.91 -14.96%



Eni
6.592 -18.11%


Total
27.86 -10.03%

Engie
10.54 -17.20%



Bp
275 -13.29%

Vodafone
103.94 -11.53%

Royal Dutch Shell A
1,127 -15.50%

Royal Dutch Shell B
1,100 -16.12%

[rhatton] 12/3/2020 17:49

Yeah it’s worrying the intervention going on and maybe too soon?
QE worked in 08/09 but this is different. Or maybe that what people say in every crisis. This could be another 1929

[eeza] 12/3/2020 17:45

Rally fizzled already. Dow determined to be miserable.

[adyfc] 12/3/2020 17:42

1 trillion repo intervention/ 60 bn qe/ interest 0.5 cut and that buys them 200 points on the dow. They're out of ammo now. Nothings gonna stop this market from free falling.