Redt Energy Share Discussion Threads

[alchemy] 20/3/2017 08:45

Pugugly, I like your approach.

[dlg3] 20/3/2017 08:39

Looks like a brochure update on REDT,s site, the brochure has been offline for a few days.....

[dlg3] 20/3/2017 08:37

pugugly so £2000 for 25 years service, sound s cheap to me !!! Utilities will be trying to get in before co-opretives get a hold..... But REDT are already under $500 per Kwh....

[pugugly] 20/3/2017 08:01

netcurtains - Thinking at the moment - Was strongly recommented by a friend BUT having had some of his previous "must buy" advice on watch lists (but not bought - gut feel) and correctly so - trying to do significant DD this time - As a poster above commented "feed back needed from the test sites "

[netcurtains] 20/3/2017 06:48

PUGUGLY:

I'm no expert but electric cars are price prohibitive for ordinary people because they are expensive. They are expensive because they are NOT mass produced. With the latest advances they are beginning to be mass produced and the prices are coming down to the point that they are becoming affordable. Tesla now has a market cap of 43 BILLION DOLLARS.... But only makes a few thousand cars a year!!!!

Going back to RED -

so your question should be:
If mass production is the way to reduce prices has RED got a mass production plan in place?

My answer (my quess):
Yes, with Jabil on board one would think mass production and cost reduction is the next step.

PUGUGLY are you thinking of buying into RED or are you already a holder?

[pugugly] 19/3/2017 22:32

dig3:- Thanks for clarification - I was working from the 2017 Corporate presentation. Price given there was <$500 per kWh and the largest standard unit was 20ft HC container - so a ball park cost figure for the redT 60-300 should be in the region of $150,000 - If my understanding is correct - Can you confirm from your knowledge ? Also if my figures in Post 201 above are in the right ball park - (sorry I have a blind spot in working with amps / kwh / etc.

I had not previously seen the 2017 brochure with the multi HC options.

So your example of a 50MW machine (50,000 kwh) would have a ballpark cost of $25,000,000 - unless (and hopefully) different build structure to significantly reduce the price.

So back to your example the 50MW machine should be enough to supply 10,000 homes with 5kwh over a 12 hour period (average UK domestic usage quoted as about 10 kwh (rounded down) per day and the capital cost per home would be in the region of $2,500 (£2,000)

Does this seem about right to you - or have I got decimal point in wrong place or made other maths mistakes !!

[dlg3] 19/3/2017 21:01

PUGUGLY notice the bit about GW capacity......and Capacity scaling for large orders...


Bankability study -> for large tenders and project finance this was from the 2016 interims so should now be complete.......ad in the Jabil addition to the board...just about ready for lift off....

[dlg3] 19/3/2017 20:57

Some inportant bits some may have missed, by the looks of it....

• Tier 1 manufacturing long term partnership

• Strong balance sheet for production
working capital

• Capacity scaling for large orders, GW
capacity

90 manufacturing sites globally for low
cost and short lead time

• 10 year lease finance facility for customers

[dlg3] 19/3/2017 20:32

PUGUGLY clearly you do not look hard enough, but 50Mw storage machines should power a whole town and seeing as these storage machines cycle between charge and discharge 24hrs a day, do a little maths.....

[pugugly] 19/3/2017 16:38

Having another look but maybe my maths are wrong - Could someone closer to the technology pleae double check my caculations and advise where I have made a mistake?

As if the are correct RedT appear still have got a lot further to go to get anywhere near grid backup capacity though could well keep the lights on during the night in a medium african village - so at the moment very much a niche market subjct to cost.

Even their biggest machine (at the moment) redT 60-300 energy storage machine with a weight –fuelled of 31450kg say 30 Tons (however no prices given) when fully charged has a capacity of 300kWh which assuming I have done the calculations correctly (data from Wiki ) is only enough to run a 1 kilowatt heater for 300 hours.

Or heat 1 square metre of a leaky home for 1 year – source or say you have an old 3,650 sq foot home quick and dirty calculation suggests that it might just be sufficient to keep it warm for 24 hours.

[alchemy] 19/3/2017 11:25

You know how pennies come down those fairground machines and an arm swoops them towards the pay off ledge? They batch but do not fall, and then, eventually, a bunch of them fall off to a swoop of delight?That's the simile here, just like that.

[boyndie] 19/3/2017 10:31

About time some feedback from the Gigha installation, delay doesn't give +ive vibes to me.

[dlg3] 17/3/2017 11:38

EDF Renewable Energy Unveils New Distributed Electricity & Storage Business Unit
March 16th, 2017

EDF Renewable Energy has commissioned a new business unit focused on Distributed Electricity and Storage that will focus on distributed solar and storage projects up to 30 MW in size.

The creation of the new business unit focused on the intersection of the grid and storage highlights the increasingly important role grid-scale batteries and other energy storage will play in the grid of the future.

EDF RE is well established and primed to capitalize on the boom. As one of the largest renewable energy companies in North America, the team has vast expertise in wind, solar, bioenergy, and storage projects, with 9 GW of capacity in production in the US, Mexico, and Canada and over 300 MW of storage projects.

[dlg3] 17/3/2017 11:35

Councils must develop energy storage strategies
16/03/2017

Local authorities have been told to develop energy storage strategies, so they will not be left behind when this new technology takes off.

Speaking today at the Association for Public Sector Excellence’s (APSE) energy conference, APSE associate Ray Noble said the price of energy storage systems will come down “faster than solar” and “every onshore wind and solar farm will have one in the future”.

[dlg3] 17/3/2017 11:32

Aquion would be better suited to the residential market.....

[dlg3] 17/3/2017 11:31

dog Aquion energy in the US you need around $100 million to set up a manufacturing facility ....

Plus their battery has a short cycle life of arround 3000 cycles and no match for lithium,s power.....so no real market...they would have to be very cheap....to interest buyers..

Aspen 48S Battery

OPERATION & PERFORMANCE

Chemistry: Aqueous Hybrid Ion (AHI™)
Energy: 2.2 kWh (at a 20 hr discharge)
Cycle Life: 3,000 cycles (to 70% retained capacity)
Operating Temperature: -5 to 40°C ambient
Nominal Voltage: 48 V
Usable Depth of Discharge: 100%
Round Trip Efficiency: >90%

[dogrunner11] 17/3/2017 10:37

Like that word revolution when investing in a new tech stock, puts a much higher price tag on things when they finally kick off.

Add in epotential growth, was it 1,000 fold growth Bloomberg said, this is going to rocket soon enough.

[alchemy] 17/3/2017 10:27

What's not to like eh?

[dogrunner11] 17/3/2017 09:58

Link to scotts interview is live again, well worth a read

[dogrunner11] 17/3/2017 09:52

Lack of funding, we are lucky in that we have a manufacturing partner that save us a fortune and £15 million banked. We also have high profile board who are respected highly within industry, huge amount of contacts at political level in Africa and many years of know-how.

Not forgetting a CEO who's very shrewd with finances and has produced cheapest VRFB on a shoestring in comparison to others.

[chicken01] 17/3/2017 09:41

Just read about Aquion, seems they had a great product, not dissimilar to Redt. What I couldn't ascertain was why it went bust exactly.

[pugugly] 17/3/2017 09:15

Try this link - Came from a Google search

[alchemy] 17/3/2017 08:48

Thanks... many thanks.

[dogrunner11] 17/3/2017 08:23

Look on LSE most of it is there