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[andy] 12/12/2018 08:50

More bad news from Canada:

[andy] 12/12/2018 08:44

itcm1,


Exactly, anyone with a decent understanding of the markets can see that p/e is ridiculous.


I see only bad news coming for the property market, so I cannot see how sentiment can improve here in the short term, although I hear Australia are considering a rate cut to try and stop the rot in their property market.


I still say it's about affordability, and prices have risen too far, so that a professional person can no longer afford to buy a house, and therefore markets will have to retrace until buying demand improves.

[ltcm1] 11/12/2018 22:57

Rog even at 150p Purp is on a p/e of 72 for 2020 estimated earnings.

Cowtrader you are asking the wrong question. What you should be looking into is whether to increase here.

If the macro picture does shift before spring then Purp will look insanely high.

[cowtrader] 11/12/2018 19:53

I KNOW YOURE DAFT AS A BRUSH ROG, IM DECIDING WHETHER TO TAKE MY SHORT PROFIT NOW OR LET IT CONTINUE TO RUN.... YOUR JUST JELLY THAT YOURE NOT IN THIS NICE POSITION LIKE I AM AND ALL YOJ HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YOUR EYE WATERING LOSSES LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[rogthepodge] 11/12/2018 19:22

daft as a brush

[cowtrader] 11/12/2018 19:19

IM NOT BARMY ROG.... YOU ARE FOR BEING LONG ON THIS SHARE LOLLOLOLOLOL LOOK.... WE CLOSED SUB 150P........ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR INVESTMENT ROG LOLOLOLOL

[sweet karolina] 11/12/2018 17:49

rogthepodge
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200p incoming lol

[rogthepodge] 11/12/2018 12:29

'cowtrader'

barmy

[andy] 11/12/2018 08:30

NY Boy,


Ok let's see if it does.


Purp have finally sold my friend's flat, but they had to accept quite a bit under the agreed sale price to get it over the line, which possibly doesn't augur well for the property market if that becomes the norm.

[cowtrader] 11/12/2018 05:09

LOL ROG CONSTANTLY GETTING DECIMATED :D :D I BET TOM WINNNIFRITH DOESNT GET DECIMATED AS BADLY AS YOU HAVE IN RECENT DAYS LOLOLOLOLOL SUB 150P INCOMINGGGG :D :D ROG IS GONNA LOSE THE LOT :D

[buywell3] 11/12/2018 01:31

Democracy what is it ?


Believe it or not but the Greeks dreamed up the democracy idea back in 500 BC

The taking of money , bribes and the receipt of gifts to those olde Greek politicians started straight away





So what we have is some clever old Greeks that dreamed up the word democracy as a way to enrich themselves


Today the same thing happens but on a much larger scale

In the USA it is known as lobbying and is legal

Lobbying in the United States describes paid activity in which special interests hire well-connected professional advocates, often lawyers, to argue for specific legislation in decision-making bodies such as the United States Congress.


Multinational companies lobby ie pay , various senators to represent ie vote for , their wishes in whatever legislation is before them.


In other words , for the record so that folks understand


Democracy = Corruption



Today its every man for himself as it always was

The UK Government have been very supportive of UK Builders , gave tax concessions for years to BTL Landlords , and gave incentives to FTB's and still do and have via the BOE/Carney created a low interest environment that has lured many ordinary people into exposing themselves and their savings by buying more than one property.


In short the UK Government have created and supported the present UK property bubble , and in the process exposed the UK banks to a very big risk if it bursts.

Banks like LLOY and RBS where Billions of pounds of taxpayers monies is now going down the pan

[ny boy] 11/12/2018 00:01

Yes Andy, doesn’t mean it’s the bottom, just the floor of the current trend channel, it could go lower.

[andy] 10/12/2018 23:56

NY BOy,

OK thanks.


I still think it will fall lower than 147.5, so then that chart will simply be redrawn, we shall see soon I feel.

[rogthepodge] 10/12/2018 23:26

ltcm1 says PURP should have opened 75 bricks and mortar offices

hahahahahahaha

you are joking, right?

[chucko1] 10/12/2018 23:02

Rog, I would advise you to research the subject. You clearly do not understand commercial real estate lending. Single BTL mortgages tend NOT to have these LTV stipulations, but those borrowers with multiple properties likely will.

There is much more to say on this subject, but given that you tend to see everything in terms of share price or TW or whatever (actually, you may not, and simply use it as a shield) it is rather wasted on you. So best to keep it brief and basic.

A normal mortgage is not revalued as the borrower has normal income through salary or wages to cover the payments. A single BTL mortgage can rely to a degree on the borrower’s income as well as the rent from the property, so also very unlikely to have any LTV stipulations. But multiple properties are riskier in that income shortfall from the portfolio cannot so easily be met by salary or wages (i.e. it’s increasingly commercial). Hence the lenders’ need to keep the collateral revalued. All commercial real estate lending works in this manner, whatever one may think in terms of banking stability. (it would be worse if they had insufficient collateral, as that would be akin to undercapitalisation, the effects of which at least European banks have still not overcome - US banks are in far better shape.)

This is rather tangential to PURP, but it’s a subject people seem to have expressed an opinion about here.

[ltcm1] 10/12/2018 21:55

I think Purp might have worked if they had been more innovative and also had a number of hubs to get punters in the door.

They should have opened about 50-75 branches and made them more interesting places to visit than your average estate agent.

They should have invested in some good people instead of twenty something get rich quick merchants.

It is not too late to change as they have cash in the bank but they can't leave it much longer. Probably these foreign ventures have taken up too much of their time.

[andy] 10/12/2018 21:54

NY BOY,

HOw do you work that out?


I think the market cap's way too high, even at 147.72 personally

[rogthepodge] 10/12/2018 21:52

" That is why there are clauses that make you keep LtV at a certain level well below 100% throughout the life of the mortgage and not just at the start. "

I would love to see you paste or link to a BTL mortgage clause which says this. That would be absurd, and not in the lender's interest. It indeed might destabilise the banking system. A mortgage is a contract to pay x% on the loan for a number of years, with the property as collateral. I think you are confused Sweet Karolina. As a Share Prohets contributor, not so surprising. False news.


Sweet Karolina10 Dec '18 - 19:44 - 7339 of 7344
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The highest LtV you can get on BtL at the moment is 85%. The cheapest deals are 60%.

If a BtL property becomes worth less than is owed and rent is not covering repayments the owners have just stopped paying the mortgage and handed it over to the mortgage lender giving them the headache of trying to sell it. If you do not live in the place yourself why not? That is why there are clauses that make you keep LtV at a certain level well below 100% throughout the life of the mortgage and not just at the start.

[ny boy] 10/12/2018 21:45

In a steep falling trend channel - objective....Trend floor at 147.72p