Optibiotix Health Share Discussion Threads

[riskybusiness1] 13/3/2019 11:14

You can't patent a name it's called a trademark. Lol. The patents are application patents for specific ingredients used in combination in the weight management space. Dose will be irrelevant. SOH as the director of 3M Healthcare said it was the norm when looking at new science to instruct a team of patent attorneys to try and break patents behind technology that could be of value. DSM tried this with Optis prebiotic & failed. SOH is extremely knowledgable in building & protection of patents so simply ask him if you have any concerns as he knows exactly what he's doing.The process isn't apply and cross your fingers for luck, there is extensive advice & significant evidence required from patent attorneys when applying for a patent.

[anderson3] 13/3/2019 11:02

Hopefully see an RNS soon, with regards to Fred tucking a few shares away

[rayrac] 13/3/2019 10:54

Well, we know the slimbiome name is patented? But the ingredients will be another matter perhaps? Formulation percentages would have to be declared maybe? But they surely can be different from one company to another’s, product? Even if just slightly.

[riskybusiness1] 13/3/2019 10:48

As soon as the patent is filed & pending your protected & anyone infringing risks a later lawsuit. This is why SOH wanted to build the IP portfolio and file the patents to sweetbiotix before having serious discussions with major partners that would immediately try & get round the patents. During the pending stage they can copy but as soon as the patent is granted a claim will be made and royalties will backdated. Opti can serve them a letter letting them know about the patent pending now or let them build sales and become established & then serve them later for more cash.You can get round any patent ever existed if you put enough effort in. SOH has built multiple layers of protection making this a time consuming & pointless to corporates.

[someuwin] 13/3/2019 10:23

But AFAIK the patents are still at the pending stage. I'm sure they would have RNS'd a patent being granted.

From the OPTI Admission Document...

Intellectual Property

The Enlarged Group is focused on protecting its intellectual property (“IP”) and seeking to avoid infringing on third parties’ IP. To protect its products, the Enlarged Group is securing patents to protect its key products. However, there remains the risk that the Enlarged Group may face opposition from third parties to patents that it seeks to have granted and that the outstanding patent applications are not granted. The Enlarged Group engages legal advisers to mitigate the risk of patent infringement and to assist with the protection of the Enlarged Group’s IP.

The Enlarged Group’s success will depend in part on its ability to maintain adequate protection of its intellectual property portfolio. The intellectual property on which the Enlarged Group’s business is based is a combination of patent applications and confidential know-how. No assurance can be given that any pending patent applications or any future patent applications will result in granted patents, that any patents will be granted on a timely basis, that the scope of any patent protection will exclude competitors or provide competitive advantages to the Enlarged Group, that any of the Enlarged Group’s patents will be held valid if challenged, or that third parties will not claim rights in, or ownership of, the patents and other proprietary rights held by the Enlarged Group.

There is a risk that certain objections may be raised by patent offices in relation to the on-going patent applications which have been filed by the Enlarged Group. These may result in revised applications or prevent those patent applications from being granted. If the patent applications are not granted, the consequence is that the techniques and processes described in the patent applications would not be protected and would be in the public domain. The Enlarged Group would then continue to rely on the confidential know- how it has developed.

[trotterstrading] 13/3/2019 09:48

Depends on the product market, claims they make, dosage and other factors, this has all been run past SoH. Pretty sure OPTI have a claim against BoomBod but tbh they have bigger fish to fry at the moment

[riskybusiness1] 13/3/2019 09:44

INL hockey stick effect is gradual and builds rapidly due to its multiplying effect. I think your looking into the interpretation too much as you did with what million pound deal means. I'm sure there will be news soon so don't get too down.Slimbiome ingredients are widely used individually & are not novel. It is the combination that is novel meaning the patent will be breached if any of the ingredients are used in combination specifically for the weight management space. Boombod is definitely infringing on the patent. I've asked SOH before & he says its best to let them build revenues & then hit them with a lawsuit. They essentially then are building sales for us that we can claim back so the more they sell the more we can claim. After this Opti can stop them selling completely or allow them to continue & pay a royalty or change the product completely. Setting up a royalty would be in both parties interest.

[siennadelekat21] 13/3/2019 09:41

I see you continue to post Rayrac, but conveniently continue to miss the request from Direcons to answer his question.... I wonder why? : )

[whitegold1] 13/3/2019 09:38

Seems a bizarre argument to me. Anyway our seller is selling again - what a drag.Low volumes day after day - no demand to counter this - very sad state of affairs.

[rayrac] 13/3/2019 09:37

Glad I’m not a holder! I’d be very depressed after reading judijudi posts.

As I’ve said before, it’s one hell of a competitive market, and BoomBod is right at the heart of it.

[judijudi] 13/3/2019 09:31

Somebody gone short again
I wonder who?
:)

[someuwin] 13/3/2019 09:30

As say, there's loads of products with various FORMULATIONS i.e

Glucomannan with Chromium | 90 Capsules | 500mg Glucomannan with 240mcg Chromium Picolinate per Capsule | Reduce Calorie Intake | Vegan and Vegetarian Friendly | Manufactured in The UK

by Life's Nutrients

3.7 out of 5 stars 52 customer reviews

Price: £9.97 (£11.73 / 100 g) & FREE UK Delivery on orders dispatched by Amazon over £20. Delivery Details

[rayrac] 13/3/2019 09:29

Depends what the formulation is surely...quantities ect? Those natural ingredients are available world wide?

[trotterstrading] 13/3/2019 09:20

Someuwin they have IP over the FORMULATION, which covers any two of the three Ingredients used together. I was told this by SoH directly at UKI

[someuwin] 13/3/2019 09:14

I'd be very surprised if OPTI have any enforceable IP protection over Slimbiome (apart from the registered name)

It purely consists of three natural ingredients that are used in multiple slimming products already. And were being used a long time before OPTI came along.

Just do a Google search on any combination of these...

Glucomannan
Chromium
Chicory root

[dire cons] 13/3/2019 09:00

Rayrac, could you please answer my question posted yesterday.

So now that you are the self-proclaimed most knowledgeable poster on all things OPTI, could you point me to where it says "there were an awful lot of other life sciences companies represented there" and who were these companies?
As you seem to have far too much time on your hands, it shouldn't be too difficult for you.
Thanks.

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[trotterstrading] 13/3/2019 08:54

They are in breach of OPTI IP, they have 2 of the three active ingredients in Slimbiome, SoH is aware, pretty sure in time we will be getting royalties for BoomBod sales, let's see

[rayrac] 13/3/2019 08:45

Boombod, get it for £14.48 from Holland and Barrett, 7 days supply. Cant see where judi is going with this?

[trotterstrading] 13/3/2019 08:37

Judi I'm quite certain BoomBod breaches Slimbiome IP, I asked Elric to follow up with SoH a few months ago. They are on the case but would be good to get an update, probably not a priority as legal stuff is expensive. I'll ask Elric to get an update from Christina in today's interview

[2350220] 13/3/2019 08:26

m4rtinu (47373) Aren't these results gonna be pretty well what we've already had, but the Official version?
From what I understood, the idea of putting out the update a few weeks back, was just to get that info out more quickly. If the proper audit was gonna take to long for SoH's liking?

[shazbo] 13/3/2019 07:54

A dozen deals before Christmas, just after Christmas or first quarter of next year... SOH used the word 'contracts' so clearly very far down the line. 12 working days to go and only 4(?) deals RNSd. If we don't see the vast majority of those in the next couple of weeks we need to know why not.

[m4rtinu] 13/3/2019 07:48

When FY results are published in May (?), we might get a guide on current revenues too. To show, hopefully, how quickly transitioning is happening.

[imnotlong] 13/3/2019 07:45

Regardless, I agree with TW. I think the shares are well worth buying.