Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[k38] 13/1/2019 16:06

Euro_union is dying. Most remainers they don't know how Brussels works and why we must stay in Europe.Minerve is one of them.

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 16:02

But Brexit has to be really Brexit , not REMAIN dressed up as Brexit. Simple really.

'Writing in the Sunday Express, Mrs May said: “You, the British people, voted to leave. And then, in the 2017 General Election, 80% of you voted for MPs who stood on manifestos to respect that referendum result. You have delivered your instructions. Now it is our turn to deliver for you. When you turned out to vote in the referendum, you did so because you wanted your voice to be heard. Some of you put your trust in the political process for the first time in decades. We cannot – and must not – let you down. Doing so would be a catastrophic and unforgivable breach of trust in our democracy. So my message to Parliament this weekend is simple: it is time to forget the games and do what is right for our country.” – Belfast Telegraph '

What is right is to tear up the Withdrawal Agreement


Equivocation, deceit and lies will not do it.

And with such lies etc the Conservative Party will become conseigned to the dustbin. The Conservative Party is truly on the way to the Quisling Party.

May just cannot stop lying.

[bargainbob] 13/1/2019 15:59

Iron Maiden another vile quisling Billy boy , I was born under a Union Jack FTP etc etc .

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 15:50

Trading under WTO rules

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JANUARY 10, 2019

There is a lot of confusion and deliberate misinformation about trading under the WTO. Here are some facts that might help.

1. All our current trade is under the WTO, as the EU is a member. The UK will become a full member with vote and voice as soon as we leave the EU, as we never surrendered our membership when we joined the EU.
2. There is no WTO schedule of tariffs that automatically comes in. Each member of the WTO files its own tariff schedule and trades with anyone under that who wish to trade. The WTO requires a member to trade with any other member on the same terms, unless there is an approved Free Trade Agreement that exempts the countries from the common tariff of the Schedules. A country is always free unilaterally to cut or remove tariffs.
3. If a country’s trading terms are disputed by another member there is a dispute resolution procedure. A dispute does not stop trading under the published terms whilst the dispute is being resolved.
4. The EU does not have Free Trade Agreements with the USA, China, Brazil etc so we trade successfully with them at the moment under WTO rules and under the tariff schedule set by the EU. Once out we can sign Free Trade deals with these countries removing these tariffs, or could cut some of the tariffs unilaterally any time we wanted to make imports cheaper.
5. The so called side deals the EU has with these countries are mainly unimportant or unrelated to trade. Some are multilateral agreements that the UK has signed anyway.
6.The one agreement we currently have through the EU that may be important, the General Procurement Agreement, gives us access to public procurement opportunities in signatory states, and gives them the same access to the UK. The WTO has now agreed the UK will be a member of that Agreement in our own right on departure from the EU.
7. The EU has free trade agreements with a number of mainly smaller countries. The top five, Switzerland, Canada, Korea, Norway and Turkey account for three quarters of the exports involved. Switzerland, for example, has agreed to continue all current preferences with the UK as well as with the rest of the EU on our exit. No country with an FTA with the EU has indicated any wish to terminate the agreement with the UK once we leave. Transferring the current deal to both the remaining EU and to the UK is a relatively straightforward process.
8. The WTO does not require us to impose new checks at borders or delay imports into the UK. They recommend risk based checks. As the risks of EU product will not go up the day we leave the EU there is no requirement to impose new difficult checks.
9. If the UK and the EU agree to negotiate a free trade agreement once the UK has left the EU on March 29 this year, we could agree to impose no tariffs on each other and would get WTO consent to not impose them pending the negotiation of a full free trade agreement.

Peter Lilley has published a good pamphlet with Global Britain and Labour Leave setting out more detail called “30 Truths about leaving on WTO terms”

[minerve] 13/1/2019 15:44

"No thanks, there is nothing good to learn from them."

Eh?

[k38] 13/1/2019 15:41

Minerve I like to know your opinion on 372 .. If you have one.

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 15:41

CONSERVATIVE PARTY = QUISLING PARTY

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 15:40

Lifelogic

Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:45 am | Permalink

MPs must focus and deliver the prize for the sake of democracy says Stephen Barclay.

What prize? Does he understand what democracy it? May’s deal is not a prize, firstly we are paying a vast sum for it and secondly it is an appalling “Brexit Name Only” trap. It would be a complete disaster for the both UK and the Tories. How can anyone remotely sensible think it is a “prize”?

Kevin

Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

JR writes: “government Ministers…should be setting out exactly what we can do in April assuming we just leave.”

I do not think JR is being unrealistic about what is currently happening among a few hundred people as opposed to what was decided by many millions. Personally, I am assuming that 100 years of universal suffrage will be cast aside within the next 70+ days. Although I greatly appreciate the passion being shown by backbench MPs who are trying to stop that from happening, I would also like to know what the next step is when it does.

Dominic

Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

Absolutely. I actually feel physically sick at seeing Europhile Tory government ministers appear on my television. Their blatant lies, their deceit and their games makes me ashamed to be a Tory voter. And all of this flows from the top.

They slander their own MPs as though they were extremists. It is simply appalling that decent, moral people like Rees-Mogg, Redwood and those like them are being exposed to this.

The deliberate destruction of personal morals to be replaced with political control over human affairs is the success of liberal left politicisation and the Tories embracing of it. It stinks that this has happened and that our party’s allowed it to happen

There’s got to be a purge in the Tory party or else. A bloodletting, as it were. And the Eurosceptics must triumph

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 15:34

Downside of LLOY was caused 10 years ago. And ten continued. Nothing to do with Brexit.

[xxxxxy] 13/1/2019 15:18

Spare us more Project Fear

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JANUARY 13, 2019

The more the false fears are dismissed by the people responsible for organising our trade, the shriller and more desperate the Project Fear voices become. The port of Calais assures us of speedy passage for trucks after exit, so the hard core Remainers renew threats of food shortages!

European pharmaceutical companies confirm they want to carry on supplying drugs, so some go on about the need to stockpile as if we are entering some undeclared economic war. Airlines carry on selling tickets for post March whilst Project Fear is still pumping out the idea the UK will suddenly be cut off from the continent.
We currently import plenty of items including perishable food from outside the EU under WTO rules without delays and problems. Over the last year I have mainly bought home grown food, but have also enjoyed good fruit and veg that the UK could not grow from African and Latin American countries. I have not needed EU product.
I like to buy domestic produce with lowest food miles where possible. After that I prefer to buy food from developing countries. As an advocate of more trade as one of the ways of helping countries out of low incomes, I like to do my little bit with my own domestic budget.

The Project Fear blizzard on much of the media prevents us having a sensible discussion about how to use all the extra money and new freedoms once we lave. There are also some government Ministers who cannot bring themselves to tell us how they will spend the money and use the new freedoms, as if they are desperate not to. They should exude sensible confidence in our future as an independent country, and should be setting out exactly what we can do in April assuming we just leave. Setting out the advantages should be part of contingency planning for the Withdrawal Agreement being voted down.

The Chancellor needs to prepare a March budget to spend the money saved and boost the economy. The Business Secretary needs to stop encouraging fears and explain how Just in time systems will work just fine once we leave.Why doesn’t he sort out the damage done to the car industry by EU and UK regulation and by high vehicle Exicse Duty. Why won’t he publish with the Trade Secretary a tariff schedule for March 30 that is lower than the EU one, with no tariffs on any imported components? We want a better manufacturing policy after years of EU rules and subsidies helping export factories from the UK.

[minerve] 13/1/2019 15:13

Erm, haven't you seen the downside already in Lloyds share price over the last two years! LOL

And you voted for it! ROFLMAO!

What a plonka!

[minerve] 13/1/2019 15:12

"If we stay we will see a downside effect in all shares and companies in a few years.
"


ROFLMAO!

[k38] 13/1/2019 15:09

Mr elbee Nothing it's certain and for sure it will have a small effect either way for the share price for now, But..If we stay we will see a downside effect in all shares and companies in a few years.

[utyinv] 13/1/2019 15:09

Have any of you watched Brexit: The Uncivil War? You can replay it on All4 playback.

Interesting drama based on what actually happened on the referendum campaign (inside the two camps), and the lead up to the vote etc.

[mr.elbee] 13/1/2019 15:01

it's all over.WE have lost.... not much more to say except the certainty will push up the share price ..no doubt

[k38] 13/1/2019 14:53

No thanks, there is nothing good to learn from them.

[k38] 13/1/2019 14:46

Q Right now the UK economy is not it's best and i just wondering what happens from now till 2030 slowly but surely UK loose it's place from the top 10 because of the stupidity to stay in Europe !Even France will fall out of the top ten largest world economies ..with Germany just manage to stay 10th."China and India will overtake the US as the world's largest economies by 2030, with the UK falling out of the top ten entirely"Let's get the f@$ out of this trap called Europe!!

[minerve] 13/1/2019 14:41

"Minerve is definitely a Remainer.He remains in his flat all day."

My drawing room (sq ft) is probably as big as your house. LOL

[minerve] 13/1/2019 14:33

Well, you can all go darn pub we ye mates if ye wish in this weather. Or take your desperate pooch out to empty its stale bowels.

I've learned at weekends to stay in. Place becomes a circus with morons, Brexiters, dog walkers, bikers, snowflakes with fitbits. LOL

Me? I'd rather stimulate the mind whilst sat in my 'family room' - not my drawing room - next to my log fire.

Cheers!

[k38] 13/1/2019 14:27

I can't imagine how terrifying for Germany and France will be IF..We all United, Brexiteers and remainers, for a better deal !!Give us a better deal or we walk out without a deal.

[excell1] 13/1/2019 14:19

Minerve is definitely a Remainer.He remains in his flat all day.

[excell1] 13/1/2019 14:19

Minerve supplies the quantity of posts on here but the quality is dire.

[k38] 13/1/2019 14:04

fatnackerSometimes people want to show off their wealth but can't compete with friends and relatives in thesame situation, Or luck of real friends. Maybe he is a lonely person who try to make friends.