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[xxxxxy] 31/5/2019 08:31

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[xxxxxy] 31/5/2019 08:30

The leadership election

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MAY 31, 2019

I am all in favour of choice, but a possible offering of 17 candidates or more for Prime Minister creates a muddled field with too many candidates offering a very similar package. The endless launches of new campaigns also takes attention away from those who claim to be front runners, making their task more difficult to be front runners. The MP electorate is proving hard to persuade, showing that the candidates need to come up with better answers to my two fundamental questions for any wannabe leader. How do you get us out cleanly and promptly from the EU, and what is your programme for taking advantage of Brexit with a range of new policies to promote greater prosperity, wider ownership and better public services?

I will not write about all of them, and suspect some of the 17 will decide on reflection not to put in Nomination papers. I have written about two of the four front runners so far. According to Conservative Home Jeremy Hunt leads with a possible 29 MPs in support, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are joint second with 26 MPs each and Dominic Raab is fourth on 22 MPs. To get into the last two for election by members the top two have got to get around 155 MPs each if the vote is split evenly, or less if one is much more popular than the other amongst MPs. The second placed is likely to have at least a third of the party in support. Today I will say something about Boris Johnson and soon I will also say something about Dominic Raab. Thereafter I will be guided by who seems to be an interesting candidate because of their platform, or because someone is picking up more support.

The MP electorate needs to believe that the winner can deliver Brexit and can rebuild the Conservative vote. Too many candidates are defining the problem as trying to find compromises a Remain Parliament can accept, which Mrs May failed to achieve. They should instead be telling us how they are going to persuade by their actions the big Leave vote that they can and will achieve Brexit. If they cannot do that they will not rebuild the Conservative position.

Boris Johnson is the most popular candidate with the members so far, with many members of the party wishing him to be on their ballot paper. There is a widespread feeling that the court case against him for the Bus figures is an attack on democracy and an unfair diversion. Many like the way he gave voice to Brexit in the referendum and respect him for resigning from the May government when she decided to back the Chequers plan which most Leavers see as a needless delay and dilution of Brexit. He has reach and appeal to the wider electorate as his Mayoral wins showed that other Conservatives might struggle to achieve. In view of this I asked Boris to send me his statement of why we should vote for him as he had been talking to me about the leadership. His office sent me the following:

“Our next Prime Minister must be someone who can deliver Brexit, unite our Party and, crucially, defeat Labour. Jeremy Corbyn is the single greatest threat to the prosperity of our country and Boris is the man to beat him. Polls of the public and of labour members repeatedly underline this point and his track record of winning, whether as London mayor or in the referendum, speaks for itself. Added to a positive vision for brexit and the energy and enthusiasm which he has to take forward our economy it is clear he is the right man for the job.”

What do you think of this prospectus?

In order to get more MP support he does have to flesh out how he will get us out of the EU cleanly and quickly, and what new directions he would want for the UK once out. He also needs to deal with his critics about his past alleged gaffes and changes of view.

[careful] 31/5/2019 08:29

So Trump will see Boris and Nigel.
A coalition, a joint morons party.

This is the turning point, they will scare away millions of sensible middle England types and be left with a minority splinter group of nutters.

Trump will not be an electoral asset in this country, just as Cameron made the mistake of getting Obama involved during the referendum.

Worryingly, Corbyn's Marxists will benefit from all of this.

[kawah2a2] 31/5/2019 08:23

Political uncertainty here is the main driver. China USA trade tensions also have a downward push on all markets. Time will iron it all out. In a positive or negative way, remains to be seen.

[aceuk] 31/5/2019 08:18

NXT - Next

That's the only one I can think of …. but then that's probably more to do with their management of going digital which many companies still struggle with

[gbh2] 31/5/2019 08:17

Doesn't help that the Greedy sods that run this Bank keep dumping Huge amounts of new shares onto the market!

[pooroldboy55] 31/5/2019 08:13

Buy backs are a waste of time show me one that has really worked all the company's I've been invested in who had one the the only effect it ab on the share price was to send it down! !!.

[toon1966] 31/5/2019 08:11

Markets across Europe are a sea of red - why? Donald Trump threatening to slap 5% tariffs on Mexico....

[mikemichael2] 31/5/2019 08:09

More sells than buys.

[janekane] 31/5/2019 08:09

Why is this dropping so far so fast what's wrong

[janekane] 31/5/2019 08:06

Why is this falling so far so fast what's wrong

[gbh2] 31/5/2019 08:01

The Buy Back is really having an impact on the share price - NOT !

[buywell3] 31/5/2019 06:34

.................... The Tories 12 Disciples ..................


We now have the chosen 12 who will lead us out of all our troubles.

A 13th will come sayeth the 22 committee who make complete the holey group.

From one of these a leader will be anointed to guide us all along the paths of Tory righteousness for we as a people do not know what we do.

Guidance and Deliverance is at hand , the chosen one will save us from our Brexit sins and make us clean and whole again.


buywell AD 2019

[jacko07] 31/5/2019 02:37

Can we just get on and get it over with, Remain lost, get over it. A second referendum would still be won by Brexit, so let us just get on and leave.

A week after no deal, talks will be back on, a deal will happen, trust me!!!

[maxk] 30/5/2019 23:43

What about the Lab/Cons Min, what were their figs?

[minerve 2] 30/5/2019 23:39

Statistics and computer modelling Cheshire; a bit beyond your comprehension I'm afraid.

[minerve 2] 30/5/2019 23:38

YouGov a leftie paper?

[cheshire pete] 30/5/2019 23:35

Small sample carried out for a leftie paper. Opinion polls unreliable. Shouldn't draw too much where sample size is small. Never been asked to answer opinion poll in my life. Strange....maybe they ask the people they suspect will give the answer they want.

[minerve 2] 30/5/2019 23:29

You are a busted flush Cheshire.

Time to shut thee mouth and retire with dignity (what's left of it).

You are history. ;)

[minerve 2] 30/5/2019 23:27

It comes as a poll of 1,763 adults by YouGov for the Times, on which party they would back if a general election was held now, was topped by the Lib Dems on 24%, ahead of the Brexit Party on 22%.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Lib Labour coalition coming right-up. As Minerve predicts....

[cheshire pete] 30/5/2019 23:23

Bercow remainer. Parliament remain. Disgrace. Brexit party our saviour now.

[minerve 2] 30/5/2019 23:18

Cheshire

I don't know if you are aware but revoking Article 50 is a unilateral decision. We don't need the EU to revoke Article 50. All we need is a parliament sick to the death of scum like Boris and the ERG. You will push them to that decision if you are not careful.

Watch.

[cheshire pete] 30/5/2019 23:04

Not frightened of a second referendum Minerve as the result would be leave by a bigger margin, but it's never going to happen as it won't be possible to agree the question.

With a bit of luck the EU will tell us to sling our hook after 31/10 if we're still prevaricating.