Kier Share Discussion Threads

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 11:08

put your short on now wally.

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 11:07

oooohhh suspension, oooohh sell your shares, you'll feel better in the morning... you should be ashamed of yourself wally.

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 11:06

who said that?

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 11:05

I will take that bet stdy, the price next week will be in the 80's or lower. You think it will be > £1.50.

Lets see who is right

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 11:02

Brex. But we know more than we did. And what we know suggests that Kier is not failing. And that means that the share price should not be one year's earnings. It should be multiples of one year's earning. How many multiples is the only question. Right now, at this very moment, it should be at least two (£1.50), because even that would be a poor company. And since Kier is a major business, established over many decades, with thousands of people, hundreds of contracts, billions in revenue and millions in profit, it is not a poor company. So the price next week will be multiples thereof.

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 11:00

exile, what is the difference between KIE and CLLN? If anything with a smaller % of government contracts KIE is less influenced by the gov't.

It is cash outflow that killed off CLLN and the same will happen here

[brexitplus] 01/8/2019 10:58

Stdy

I can pay people quicker if I sell my assets. Car at a knock down price. My Rolex watch for half its value.

Until you know the exact details you do not know. No do any of us except Kier.

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 10:58

It's been fun wallz, but your time is over. Look at that chart. You've had your time. The future is our chart, wallz. The future is the longs' time.

[sharemaster24] 01/8/2019 10:56

Probably get a small pull back now after such a rise , but buy and hold and DO NOT use leverage.

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 10:54

nom: the share price falling when it was 500+ just after the RI had nothing to do with the shorts. It was the business, as demonstrated with their profit warning and June RNS's.

It is the business that will lead to this falling again if I am right, not the shorts. They of course will be a signal, just like the share price action

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 10:52

BREX YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT - KIER IS PAYING SUPPLIERS ON AVERAGE IN 41 DAYS. THAT IS VERY FAST IN ANY INDUSTRY. AND THEY ARE MANAGING TO PAY SUPPLIERS IN A CAPITAL INTENSIVE BUSINESS AND STILL REDUCE THEIR DEBT. THAT IS NOT THE SIGN OF A COMPANY WHICH IS BROKE. Kier is profitable and has proven healthy cashflow.

[exile] 01/8/2019 10:52

wallywoo….. Exacly ! This is not Carrillion, the Gov won't let this company fail.

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 10:52

stdy: and that is coming from someone who said buy this at 160p?

If I am wrong and this is not just a bounce before the downtrend resumes I will admit it.

But we won't know that for at least a month or so

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 10:50

heard it all before exile with Carillion

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 10:49

wallz - just listen to yourself yesterday! Oooohhh suspension! Ohhh, sell your shares, you feel better tomorrow... And now today we have actual news instead of your selfish ravings. LISTEN TO YOURSELF. This company should not have a share price which is the VALUE OF ONE YEAR'S EARNINGS. Argue with it all you like, BUT YOU ARE WRONG.

[nomdeplume] 01/8/2019 10:49

Wallywoo: The point is that the share price did not fall again until the shorts increased. The recent low share price has been orchestrated by the shorters. What we have today is nothing compared to what might happen if the shorts close. .

[exile] 01/8/2019 10:48

brexitplus… Good point. Kier are compliant, the gov won't let this company fail imo.

[brexitplus] 01/8/2019 10:48

Stdy

“It's paying people promptly and reducing its debt.”

Paying because it was told to or lose business.

Reducing assets in a fire sale.

Definitely a very profitable business😁
28513;😁

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 10:45

stdy just listen to yourself!!

1) a share price moving down is manipulation

2) a share price moving up is real

do you really believe that?

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 10:44

Kiers is not bust. That is the fundamental message. The share price at sub £1 only makes sense if the firm is bust, but it isn't. It's paying people promptly and reducing its debt. This should be £1.50 right now.

[pre] 01/8/2019 10:43

shorts still nibbling away...a shame as this company has potential and its is a nice update which has caught a few shorts out..let's see how things shape up here.

[stdyeddy] 01/8/2019 10:42

Sorry you were stopped out pilks. There's plenty of value at 86p, but dyor obviously.

[wallywoo] 01/8/2019 10:42

nom: yes in deed my point exactly. The share price rose by 30-40%, then fell massively.

I repeat KIE's problems are not resolved by these words, trend will resume but after a good bounce

[brexitplus] 01/8/2019 10:40

Exile

Earlier payments to contractors are because the govt told them to meet payment requirements or lose work. This was not done out of the goodness of Davies’s heart. It has also used up a lot of cash.

Cash flow is the governing factor in all this.