Wetherspoon ( J.d.) Share Discussion Threads

[jazza] 28/1/2011 07:19

it's a shame you had to selectively cut back on that C&P job isis..

..why not C&P the bit about the fact that workers in manual/routine jobs are much more likely to smoke?

if the chavs wanna kill themselves....well, they can do as they please, just so long as they don't poison the air of the 79% who would rather they didn't..

[isis] 28/1/2011 07:11

As I have been saying, despite the lies from certain quarters:-


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Ban fails to stop smokers

By Andrew Jack
Published: January 27 2011 17:49 | Last updated: January 27 2011 19:09
Heavy drinking is on the decline across the UK, but the ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants imposed three years ago has failed to have an impact on the country's hard core of smokers, according to figures released on Thursday.

Some 21 per cent of UK adults said they were smokers in 2009, a proportion unchanged since 2007 when legislation came into force imposing the ban. The average number of cigarettes smoked also remained constant during the period, at 14 per day for men and 13 for women.

[glenowen] 26/1/2011 22:30

Seahorse - they'd have been better off buying them back about 18 months ago when the share price was under £2! Perhaps the finance was not available back then.

[seahorsel3isure] 24/1/2011 15:20

I keep forgetting that JDW like their share buybacks.

May support the price in the short term!

[seahorsel3isure] 20/1/2011 09:55

Am I the only one who read this as a veiled profit warning?

"As previously stated, higher interest charges, following the refinancing in March 2010, will adversely affect profits in the first half of the financial year. In addition, there are clear indications of increases in the cost of supplies across a wide range of goods, including food and bar purchases, as well as utilities and excise duties"

And on top of that the CEO and another director sold shares yesterday.

I'm surprised that the shares jumped up as much yesterday and I think that they will fall back to around the £4 level. Time for a short maybe!

[jeffian] 19/1/2011 14:32

I believe you. My former company was one of the first to install Brulines monitoring equipment to find out what was going on in our pub estate. It was quite interesting to see how many pints were pulled between midnight and 3 am!

8-)

[isis] 19/1/2011 14:18

Actually it is the busiest Pub in the area now. :-))

You can fool yourself but you can't fool us!

LOL

[jeffian] 19/1/2011 14:16

"Many locals already have lock in's where people can smoke including one of my locals.

To date the Police etc. seem to turn a blind Eye."

In the context of this being a JDW thread on a financial bb, I'm not sure that's the market any pubco's are aiming for these days, isis. Sounds like another one to close somewhere near you shortly.

[mroalan] 19/1/2011 14:02

be nice now girls.

[jeffian] 19/1/2011 13:53

As an investor pretty widely exposed to the pub sector, "my book" would be to talk it up and I don't think the smoking ban has done it much harm and certainly no more so than other factors mentioned above.

I didn't answer your suggestion about 'smoking pubs' because it's a waste of time as it's never going to happen, any more than they're going to bring back hanging and legalise slavery. Anyway, there's already a place where you and your mates can chunter away to your heart's content, smoking, drinking Mild and bemoaning the loss of Empire and the Good Old Days in a nicotine-stained fug; it's called "Home".

[isis] 19/1/2011 12:06

Indeed you are right. Real Pub goers always smoked.

They are little more than glorified Cafe's.

[milacs] 19/1/2011 12:05

Yes you are correct jeffian. In addition no one chooses to go to a dumpy pub and spend £3 a pint.

The modern pub is simply a restaurant with cheap food and sells alcohol as a secondary line.

M

[jazza] 19/1/2011 12:01

isis, all the stress that your one-man-advfn-repeal-the-smoking-ban campaign must be doing to you can't be good for your health...add that to your smoking habit and i fear for you..

relax..

[isis] 19/1/2011 11:58

blah, blah, blah - I can tell you for a fact I do not visit Pubs in the Winter and I know many people who do the same.

You are talking out of your Rse as usual to suit your book.

Also you didn't answer about Smokers having their own Pubs - couldn't bear the thought of people enjoying themselves whilst you sup your smug pint of Bitter eh?

[jeffian] 19/1/2011 11:50

No, thousands of pubs have closed because they were cr@p pubs relying on a shrinking market (alcohol on-sales) and failing to adjust to the market by offering good food, beer and wine in a pleasant environment. JDW and MARS, in particular, are building and opening new pubs all the time; a comparison between the ones which are closing and the new ones tells you all you need to know. There is clearly a problem with rural pubs but that is a function of limited customer catchment, as evidenced by a similar decline in rural shops and Post Offices.

[isis] 19/1/2011 11:36

milacs - I know many non-smokers who have never complained about smoking - in fact many of them were not in favour of the ban.

As I said it's more unhealthy standing outside in busy Towns.

Thousands of Pubs have closed due to the ban.

[milacs] 19/1/2011 11:33

isis

Au contraire

My best friend is a heavy smoker and he does not mind having a few beers at the local pub with me.

M

[isis] 19/1/2011 11:29

Call to tackle pollution 'role in 50,000 early deaths'


The report estimates the health costs of air pollution at up to £20.2bn a year
More could be done to prevent the early deaths of up to 50,000 people each year hastened by air pollution, MPs say.
A Commons Environmental Audit Committee report said failure to reduce pollution had put an "enormous" cost on the NHS and could cost millions in EU fines.
It said the UK should be "ashamed" of its poor air quality which was contributing to conditions such as asthma, heart disease and cancer.
The government accepted more could be done and would consider the report.
'Invisible killer'
Pollutants such as ozone, nitrogen oxides and "particulate matter" - tiny particles - from transport and power stations have been blamed for contributing to early deaths.
Particulate matter is estimated to reduce people's lives by an average seven to eight months, while in pollution hotspots vulnerable residents, such as those with asthma, could be dying up to nine years early, the report says.
Air pollution also leads to damage to wildlife and agriculture, with ground-level ozone estimated to reduce wheat yields in the south of Britain by 5% to 15%.
EAC chairman Tim Yeo said: "Air pollution probably causes more deaths than passive smoking, traffic accidents or obesity, yet it receives very little attention from government or the media.
"In the worst affected areas this invisible killer could be taking years off the lives of people most at risk, such as those with asthma."
Fines risk
The health costs of pollution are estimated at between £8.5bn and £20.2bn each year, with the report also warning that the UK risks "substantial" fines for its failure to meet EU regulations on limiting pollutants.
The committee said major changes were needed to policies on transport, which accounts for up to 70% of pollution in towns and cities.
It called for measures such as national standards for low emission zones, like the one covering London, to make it easier and cheaper for local authorities to implement.

The government has gone full steam ahead with policies like Heathrow expansion that will lead to more illness and premature death
Simon Hughes
Liberal Democrats
The report added more research was needed to understand the impact of particulates created by wear on tyres and brakes and those lying on the road which are whipped up into the air by passing vehicles.
The MPs said although climate change policies such as encouraging people to use public transport had helped, others policies, such as the use of diesel vehicles which were more fuel-efficient, were exacerbating air pollution by increasing production of particulates.
Liberal Democrat shadow energy and climate change secretary Simon Hughes said: "The government has scorned its legal obligations and instead gone full steam ahead with policies like Heathrow expansion that will lead to more illness and premature deaths.
"It is time ministers cleaned up their act."
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said it took improving air quality very seriously and that it had made significant achievements such as reducing sulphur dioxide emissions by 86% since 1990.
The spokesperson added it was working across government to reduce emissions from transport and electricity generation.

[isis] 19/1/2011 11:27

jeffian - do you agree that smokers should have their own Pubs and Bars?

That is the fairest way - smokers do not want to be with non-smokers and vice versa.

Comprendhe??

btw - there is no way you can avoid Car Fumes they are everywhere.

[isis] 19/1/2011 11:11

jeffian - you are in clear denial.

Unlike tobacco fumes Care fumes are all around us all the time. There are 33m vehicles in the UK - just how you think you can avoid them by standing in a ar is laughable.

Another one who hates smokers but thinks it's perfectly OK to pour Tons of Toxic Waste via his Car.

There's a name for people like that. ;-))