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[e j blythe] 16/4/2016 19:38

I used to read globalreasearch, but it's more of a conspiracy blog tbh.

Quoting Wesley's 7 countries in 5 years is hardly proof that Syria's civil war was caused by external influences.

[johnwise] 15/4/2016 23:14

Belgium: The Saudis Screwed Us

[loverat] 28/3/2016 21:21

Middle East domination?
Energy?
Russia isolation? (my addition)

That sounds more like it.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 21:17

More.....


The 2011 uprisings, it would seem - triggered by a confluence of domestic energy shortages and climate-induced droughts which led to massive food price hikes - came at an opportune moment that was quickly exploited. Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirmed US-UK training of Syrian opposition forces since 2011 aimed at eliciting "collapse" of Assad's regime "from within."

So what was this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria and Iran all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years", starting with Iraq and moving on to "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 21:13

Perhaps that can be the starting point to our discussion. Ignore the commentary in the articles but the former French Minister and Wesley Clark said those things.That is on record.

And it does have to make you wonder if what've you been reading over the last 5 years is a complete load of mainstream bull.

Democracy and religion nothing to do with it imo.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 20:58

Two well known articles to set the scene. Mention here of what the French Foreign Minister said about the intervention in Syria and Wesley Clark on US policy and regime change.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 20:37

Twelves Finches

I don't really know where to start with that analysis to be honest.

I might need a stiff drink first.

However, in the meantime perhaps you could expand on your view that this was a democratic and religious uprising from within Syria.

My argument has been all along that this was principally (but not wholly) a conflict with external forces the main driving force - and that religion within Syria was not a major issue. Religion has been brought into this to cause division. My view is held by others who have expertise on the region.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 20:24

I guess one thought on why there may have been no bombing of ISIS retreating. If as reported they took all the civilians with them then the Russians may have had to refrain. I guess if they had bombed them, Russia be accused of bombing civilians as seems to be the Western MO. If they don't they get criticised anyway.

[twelvefinches] 28/3/2016 20:17

LOverat - I'm really confused as to why you keep harping on about the west, this is a local issue and the civil war began as an offshoot of the Arab spring of 2011 with their call for democracy, OK fair enough it was rigourously backed by the west, especially France & UK (post Libya) but bear in mind that Syria has been ruled by a small minority (the Alawites) for well over 60 years, they only represent about 12% of the population as opposed to the sunnis who number well over 75%, so a peoples uprising was inevitable. Unfortunately this has now become a Sunni/Shiite war and needs to be resolved on religious grounds.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 20:09

I was also reading an article about overseas aid and how the UK spends the budget and on schemes where money has been wasted.

The larger overseas budget spend is actually one area I agree with the government. Of course the money should not be wasted on pointless schemes or on countries which dont need it. That's why you need experts in this Department.

If used correctly overseas aid is a very good way of dealing with problems in other states before they escalate. It helps our trade and relations. It helps people stay in their countries and build lives.

Increase this budget more and spend less money on interfering in wars we don't understand. If we did that long term rather than the present course, eventually we might not need to spend billions on nuclear weapons.

[loverat] 28/3/2016 19:47

Here is the link.

I think I'd rather trust the judgement of a church leader, and experts on the Middle East such as John Pilger and Peter Ford than a fool like Cameron.

[leonasdad] 28/3/2016 15:10

secularism and policy correctness is not working very well- theres 4200 different relgions in the world - why is it one book or the other that keeps bringing bloodshed? P45