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[loverat] 06/3/2016 23:45

A lot of the news reports come from the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights based in the UK. Apparently this is one bloke living in a 2 bedroom semi in Coventry who has not been to Syria for 15 years.

Obviously popular with mainstream media which means they don't have to bother information gathering themselves. The obvious danger is you put rubbish in you get rubbish out.

RT news but lots of people have raised eyebrows over this 'organisation'.

[loverat] 06/3/2016 23:38

There are so many reports about Russian attacks in Syria. If you look at the timing of these they usually follow something which has upset NATO, Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

There was quite a lot of anti Russian propaganda after Turkey were caught trading oil with ISIS. Its all done to deflect attention away from their activities.

The UK population have been fed a load of bull for years. A lot of people are wising up but there are people out there who get their Daily Mail everyday and swallow it. They've done the same for years so it takes a while to convince them otherwise. You can't blame them in a way - people lead busy lives or are not interested in politics.

If you are interested there are a few decent journalists and commentators who report correctly and thoughfuly on Syria - Patrick Coburn and Robert Fisk (The Independent) and Peter Hitchens. John Pilger (ex journalist) and Peter Ford (diplomat) have written various articles based on their expertise on the Middle East.

[leonasdad] 06/3/2016 23:03

The hospital bombings are designed to prepare the waring side to have a binary attitude to field injury and push the battle lines further back.

[au24] 06/3/2016 22:52

The hospital bombings make no sense for anyone to do that. Other than as a human shield.
Gaza comes to mind.

[loverat] 06/3/2016 22:49

That's part of the point I've been making. Those who come along accusing you of being a party member generally are ideologically driven like the leaders we are discussing.

Of course no one agrees with bombing hospitals. But the truth is quite hard to find in Syria. Obviously once proof is shows Russia did this, it should be condemned.

Likewise perhaps the MSF hospital which was bombed by the US s few months ago (in Afganistan) could be raised an an issue. Along with the report which says 1000 Syrian civilians have been killed by Western air forcess in Syria in recent months. As well as our support for Turkey which was trading oil with ISIS.

At the end of the day, Russia is on the right side - and invited. UK is there illegally and killing civilians and prolonging the war with its double dealing. Cameron is responsible for the Tunisia killings as he has supported these groups for years.

[au24] 06/3/2016 22:40

'there was some story about a UK dossier of Russian war crimes in Syria. Give me a break.

The hypocrisy and the garbage we are fed is beyond belief.'


Agreed, it made me cringe.

Where is Blair's dossier?

[donsan] 06/3/2016 22:33

hey loverat - so you thinks its OK to bomb civilian hospitals as the Russians have done in Northern Syria (as report by MSF) - an NGO I fully support and trust. Are you by any chance an ex-party member because it definitely appears that way.

el Don

[loverat] 06/3/2016 22:25

On intervention in other states/wars I think there are very few we should have got involved in.

Korea - maybe that was justified at that particular time.
Yugoslavia - that was a disaster - while we were supporting the wrong sides in that we could have helped in Rwanda.
Falklands - justified
Iraq 1990 was justified - there was UN mandate there.
Libya - disaster
Afganistan - largely a disaster
Iraq - complete disaster
Syria - potentially a disaster of major proportions.

We should not be preaching human rights in China or Russia. It does us no good - and makes us laughing stocks and hypocrites after our failures in the Middle East. And there is something very sinister in some of the things the UK is doing - some of that became evident in Kosovo in 1999/2000.

Even if the human rights records of other states is that bad, all nation states evolve in their own way. Just as we did from our colonial days. Nobody came along in the 1850s telling us what to do in India and Africa. We did some bad things and there were some good things and in the aftermath of WW11 we realised we could not continue. WW11 gave us some respectability and a new difficult kind of influence but no way have we got the right to lecture others after what we've done since.

[mustau] 06/3/2016 22:20

Invaded Kuwait, with whose permission?

[au24] 06/3/2016 19:26

It was none of our business to get involved in the first place. We have well and truly destabilized the whole area,leaving a vacuum that ISIS quickly filled,with the loss of thousands upon thousands of lives.

A plus for our action was to stop Saddam gassing the Kurds.