Graphene Nano Share Discussion Threads

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 18:57

marketeer4, was that addressed to me?

Deigned?


Last time I looked my ADVFN nickname was still at the top of this page.

What you do not know, but Robin does, is what I have been doing away from the public glare, in respect of our investments.

[marketeer4] 14/7/2015 18:41

Thank goodness I thought this was no longer a Discussion Board but I am pleased that you have deigned it worthy of your involvement. Some of us are not so well versed on the machinations of the market and are grateful of a little help at times.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 18:34

Just so we all know where we stand, what is your current position re GRPH?

Long, Short, Watching??

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 18:32

The best thing is for me to is to ask my son in law to have a look at the book. He does this sort of thing for a living, and was trained to trade by HSBC, though he not now in the cash equity market he is still a buy side dealer but in FICC.

The sums he deals with would buy this company before lunch.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 18:12

The 7.5K seller has sold a few to me through CFD recently.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 18:01

Leedskier 7.5K lots because that is the MMs NMS. DMA traders are buying the Bid.

Me, you, MMs etc

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 17:44

Put it another way.

If these DMA trades in batches of 7500 are being sold, there must be a buyer.

Who is buying them all?

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 17:35

OKOrdinary trades are made between a broker and a market maker.Each charges a fee.The broker his commission the market maker his spread.AT do not.An AT involves two trading platforms agreeing a transaction at certain price. Both trading platforms could be running on the same server.There are no commissions no stamp duties.The trades could even be naked.I sell you 7500 shares at an agreed price of 15p. I do not deliver them because you sell them back to me at the same price.The funny thing about these 7500 trades is that regardless of price the number of shares in each trade never varies.Now a lot of these MM use trading platforms with algos. No one is sitting there manually adjusting the price of every share listed on Aim everytime someone trades. These algos react to trades passing through, whether Ordinary trades or AT.I guess a batch of AT at the bid price passing through in a few seconds triggers the algos to adjust the spread.Add to which the MM allow DMA traders to set and adjust their own spread.

[marketeer4] 14/7/2015 17:02

Leedskier, I for one would benefit from an explanation of what "rotating the stock on automated trades in batches of 7500 shares is not selling" amounts to referred to in your post 6801.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 16:21

140 -35p 82% decline in 18 months

35-13p 68% decline in 1 month

140-13p total 91% decline. Yep the BOD have done investors proud.

[madmick] 14/7/2015 16:21

Yes, its been going on for months if it was a seller there would have been an RNS
to report the reduction in their holdings.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 16:02

The fall over the last month is nothing compared with the fall between listing and a month ago.

140p to 35p.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 15:56

This has been going on for 18 months.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 15:54

No rotating of stock leedskier, this is a market that has got wind of a fund raise and price.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 15:50

Rotating the stock on automated trades in batches of 7500 shares is not selling.

Pop down and have a look at the book at XEL, it happens every day there.

edit:

It does not cost the churners anything.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 15:47

The CEO is an Australian law graduate and had his own law firm, which still exits, he was corporate lawyer specialising in M&A and raising money for companies.

I am quite that he is weighing up a number of alternatives.

As for the FD, who was criticised by john henry, he was the CEO's FD at what is now PURE.

I doubt he orders coffee without the CEO's approval.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 15:43

Well leedskier you tell me whose selling vast amounts of stock these past months

Just as i type 82.5K on offer at 13.5p

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 15:38

Assuming 80 million shares are sold at 20p, that would raise £16 million.

That is just one-third of GRPH's revenue last year.

Will the Board give away half their collective 50% shareholding for £8 million?

[paul the octopus] 14/7/2015 15:29

company nominal value is 20p so how could a raise happen below that given the massive directors holding

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 15:19

I think anyone posting about the share structure of this Company should have at the very least a basic understanding of it.

Let me help.

According to the FT, the European institutions hold less than 1.5% in total.




Some 70% of the shares in issue are held by the directors and certain Malaysian institutions which have been invested in the Company since long before its listing.

A UK millionaire Sikh businessman, whose nominee director is based in the UK, holds another 3.77% of the shares. He owns the office where the AGM was held in Surrey.

The former CEO of BIP, Joe Wong, a Malaysian millionaire still holds his shares.

A small handful of UK private investors have, to my certain knowledge, combined holdings approaching 1%.


The CEO owns 28% of the shares. So the CEO owns more than all the shares sold into the UK market in March 2013, to raise £32.5 million.

£32.5 million / £1.4 = 23.2 million shares. That is in total just 20% of the shares in issue.

[sparky333] 14/7/2015 15:12

Mr 7.5k has to finish before a turnaround is on the cards IMHO.He is relentless.

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 14:33

Pound of flesh ... that was Shylock in the Merchant of Venice ;

There are no significant ii, in the Uk at least, invested in GRPH.

The debt holders are a Malaysian Bank.

[john henry] 14/7/2015 14:26

Leedskier i think your deluded when it comes to debt consolidation and fund raising.

Believe me they will have there once of flesh.

Just because the BOD hold 50% means diddle squat. They are at the mercy of the debt holders and IIs

[leedskier] 14/7/2015 14:02

Talking of state owned oil companies, I wonder if Iran will need graphene enhanced drilling fluids to exploit its 158 billion barrels of reserves?

That incidentally is nearly 5x the US's proven reserves.




NEW DELHI: Stocks of oil marketing and oil drilling companies rallied as much as 16 per cent in trade today after reports suggested that Iran and six major powers have reached a nuclear deal that could see an easing of sanctions against Tehran and a gradual increase in its oil exports.


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