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[jack1236] 30/3/2019 16:21

ROI has never filed a 'defence' to CHL's claim.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 16:19

jack

good point.

The tribunal should have said to roi deal with the forgery in your state and when thats done you can bring it here.

CHL brought the forestry case to icsid, they should have address that, the fact that roi didnt want to share the police files icsid should have left forgery till roi dealt with it in indonesia.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 16:07

neo26

It needs a complete analysis of the Award and Annulment; then post that on Twitter. Add page numbers for reference; embarrass the Tribunal and Ad Hoc Committee. We need to check with the 'boss' first.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 16:06

come on guys get on twitter and call them out, its the only way.

lets make it difficult for all of them.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 15:54

Washington US judges wouldn't let him hide; especially with the snapps.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:52

Which court? Maybe chl can sue noor.That 9m is holding us back...

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 15:47

CHL / CC need to get Noor into a court of law; see if he runs, hides and resigns.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:46

JackIts wasnt putra who got a private jet it was Noor.We were never given the chance to question noor this heavily favoured roi..Those questions u are asking would have asked him

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:41

JackYou make good point, why didnt roi bring up the forgery in 2012 at icsid...

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 15:40

Neo but still revoked the licenses because of 'forestry issues'. I'd like to know exactly how he found out; maybe Putra tried to get him to sign others and he went back and checked. Even so he had a duty to come forward and declare everything he knew.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:39

Everyone get on Twitter... ;))

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:31

JackHe said in march 2010 when he converted the licenses to exploitation licenses it was putra who was dealing with them he just signed.But in sept 2010 he found the licenses were dodgy.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 15:25

neo

That's even worse (I'm going by the Tempo article); so it was 4 years later that it was introduced into case. Does he say how he found out? He's 100% complicit.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 15:16

JackIn his witness statement to icsid he stated, that in sept 2010 he found out the licenses and docs were fraudulent.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 14:32

If Noor knew in 2012 (Tempo article) that the licences were forged, how did he know?
Was he told by someone?

Was it the practice of the Regency as Ishak was away for months canvassing for elections?

Did he find out by himself, but decided to say nothing (until coal was found)?

Was he actually a willing participant in the fraud?

Did he privately auction the land after a resource was found?

Why weren't the licenses 'revoked' for fraud?

DQ not knowing the licences were signed by hand is a 'moot' point, as he was not dealing with the licenses at the time.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 13:05

NickThe logbook was reviewed by both parties but rois excuse was that Putra gave photocopies to registrar and promised to give originals later, according to them he never did.How convenient they remember that but other issues they forgot because it happened such along time ago.Criminal what happened to chl...With regards to whistleblower, i think that person will value his life, no one in Indonesia will be stupid enough to go against the state.

[neo26] 30/3/2019 10:55

Can they get hold off the police files? If they can it will destroy narrative that ridlatama were the chief instigators and the award fails.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 10:50

'The apparent conflict between EU Law and Investment Arbitration has opened the door to the active interest of the stakeholders involved in this relationship. In particular, the European Commission has played different roles; while in some cases the Commission has been characterised as a friend of the court (amicus curiae) it has also adopted a more adversarial role as an investigating authority.

Under ICSID Rules (Rule 37), the Commission has frequently participated as a non-disputing party by submitting amicus curiae opinions.'

[neo26] 30/3/2019 10:16

"Inner mafia" he calls them...Kaufmann, berg and our german arbitrator in annulment are part of the small elite mafia club....We had no chance....

[andy] 30/3/2019 08:24

Jack,


Agreed, hence my question.

[jack1236] 30/3/2019 06:56

Andy, if the PCoA can't 'stay costs' then it just doesn't make sense; as costs is part of the case.