Bt Share Discussion Threads

[essentialinvestor] 07/2/2024 22:48

I might question that dividend coverage metric.

BT net debt increased by a further £650 Million at the H1,
in FY 2023 their debt had increaed by circa £1 bn over the previous 12 months.

The problem is not the dividend as such, it's the huge multi year CAPEX programme, plus their pension payments.

Neither of those will be cut, the dividend can easily be.

BT cannot keep increasing borrowings. Something has to give.

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:46

Don't worry dude. At least I admire your capitalist profit

The problem with markets is that it's full of scum now. Just look around the internet

If anyone asked me, I'd rather say I deliver milk than say markets. Just to get some respect as a human
😂

[isis] 07/2/2024 22:44

US are much more in tune with Capitalism. They see making a profit as a sign of success, in the UK it's seen as a sign of greed. Yet it's okay to make millions on property.
Share owners are not looked at like property owners, greed on property is okay. Profiting on shares is not. That's why so many Bent Commies own so much Property.

[the imperialist] 07/2/2024 22:42

This and Vod will go into Saudi ownership sooner or later.

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:41

Well wrong to call Vod record lows. I didn't lie it was listed in 1996 lol

[diku] 07/2/2024 22:39

VOD gone below Covid lows...BT still to make Covid lows...

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:37

Vod is getting priced correctly

But it's not as popular in ISAs etc

BT will be making record lows too

The big kill will come when they have completed offloads and adjustments for remaining stock

[diku] 07/2/2024 22:37

Think US punters are more in tune with share price appreciation than divis...unlike UK...

[isis] 07/2/2024 22:36

Talking nonsense@=

Vodafone Group Trailing 12 Month Dividend Summary
Dividend Frequency
Biannual
Dividend Yield
12.07%
Dividend Cover
0.98
Dividend Payout Ratio
102%


BT Group Trailing 12 Month Dividend Summary
Dividend Frequency
Biannual
Dividend Yield
7.31%
Dividend Cover
2.86
Dividend Payout Ratio
35%

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:34

Was a fairly typical easy trade into ex div if they spotted the exit (w'll prior to say prior)

But to be falling like that weeks before ex div date on such a yield, says it all

[isis] 07/2/2024 22:33

Vodafone Group Trailing 12 Month Dividend Summary
Dividend Frequency
Biannual
Dividend Yield
12.07%
Dividend Cover
0.98
Dividend Payout Ratio
102%

[diku] 07/2/2024 22:30

Mind gets fixated divi is coming in...but share price not going up...net return?...as though the market knows a way of sucking in...if the market kept on giving away easy money more players would be millionaires...


Its just that investor ones prolong it as a paper loss 😂

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:23

Should do Asia as well dude. Probably best of them all

[isis] 07/2/2024 22:18

If you hold real stock you only lose on paper, not quite the same. I think most of the Younder generation are doing US shares UK market waste of space as it stands.

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 22:14

Dude, 80% of retail lose

Its just that investor ones prolong it as a paper loss 😂

[isis] 07/2/2024 22:12

I don't believe Algo's just follow the market, that would make them a bit pointless. They definitely sway the market.

PI's don't make any difference to the market. This is not the 90's - hardly anyone trades anymore. Spreadbetters are about though, 80percent do their Bolox, says so on their sites.

[vlad the impaler] 07/2/2024 21:58

Just found the most recent batch of buying gerbils

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 21:45

I saw a really smart one but I don't think it worked out in the end

It was a trading Algo that was taking a short term trade (,obviously) but only ones where the target was also completing investor entry timings, and stayed in if target hit. The problem for them was the exit part. It takes longer for an investor set to complete, say end of day or a Friday or last day of month or quarter . And only humans could figure out if the trade was going to convert to an investment, if struck well before investor money rolls. And if not, book out

They will never be able to algo that conversion in a fool proof manner

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 21:40

Anyway for the most part, Algos are not making market. Just trying to profit from city and our deals which are all electronic

[institutional investments] 07/2/2024 21:37

Bar only tick trading, Algos won't affect the day trader etc . Might even help at times