Bp Share Discussion Threads

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 13:00

i would think wholly hedged really, and fees are net

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 12:59

Its pretty much a standard for corp brokers to hold a whack anyway. you can be sure, the fees far exceed any potential losses, along with the hedge instruments

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 12:55

Auson, ive seen far more held for lower prices

Il ask you a question

Do you think they just sit on those holdings and do no other actions for years?

Lets look at a simple example

Big shorting houses...who are the clients? lol

[abc_001] 07/6/2024 12:21

Actually, late March 2025 will be a significant moment for for option maturity

[auson1] 07/6/2024 12:19

Institutional Invest,

Do you think BlackRock and Goldman Sachs would be holding millions of BP shares if they thought it was going to 300 ?

[abc_001] 07/6/2024 12:15

I took a screenshot and created a reminder ?

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 12:02

Il pop back in 3 quarters. If you are trading 400s or higher, il eat my own hat on the thread lol

GL

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 12:00

Here is my take on BP rel to crude for a few future quarters

BP slow to rise on crude bounces, and falls hard on each crude drop

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:59

Auson i wasnt saying here was 8% short. Was just making the point, 2 very different markets always exist

Sometimes the public one aligns. More often, it does not

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:58

I think market agrees with me on something very key

"Market has now dissociated commodity value from outlook" Recently

Crude prices wont matter much. Already know with a labour gov coming in, prime target for old money and if not, new etc

[auson1] 07/6/2024 11:56

I don't think there is 8% short, I can only see around 7m shares short.

Obviously shorttracker shows a big Zero which is somewhat telling

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:56

I suspect a continuous run of neg quarters to that point, however many it is

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:51

It dropped about 15% in 8 weeks

now, we know retail cant do that, and only ever positive anyway

So, whats the root of it?

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:47

Ive seen stocks on ftse 100 show 0-1%. I worked it out on some at over 5%. Cant evidence that as its not on tracker. But they duly collpased

They could be 10% short here for all we know really

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:46

no point quoting you what is above 0.5% for public vieiwing

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:45

Auson, i gave up paying for feeds like Ortex etc

I learned to gauge all that without the feeds.

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:44

Nothing to do with volume per se. You only see big volume 'on event' - not prior. Prior is where its at

[auson1] 07/6/2024 11:44

Institutional Invest,

Who is short BP and what percentage total stock on loan right now ?

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:43

abc_0017 Jun '24 - 11:40 - 99450 of 99451
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And you see institutional selling and that being large volumes will drive the price and you see a lot of instutional selling and think that the price is going way down

......
No

it depends on the structure of the selling. It can simply be an adjustment at mark, or a bit of capital to go elsewhere etc for better value, and no reflection on the instrument at all

it has many forms

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:41

I never ignore it. The only time they get it wrong aggregate, is a shock event (one they never saw coming)

Even when brexit was a media nailed on vote for stay, they were dumping gbp in all forms for 2 weeks prior. They had a better grasp on it obviously, or at least saw it as a closer run thing than foreseen

[abc_001] 07/6/2024 11:40

And you see institutional selling and that being large volumes will drive the price and you see a lot of instutional selling and think that the price is going way down

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:39

This is the crossover between outlooks and what is occurring in markets.

[institutional investments] 07/6/2024 11:36

i look where they do the real deals. Anything public is, well, for public consumption. Rarely a true narrative