Avanti Communications Share Discussion Threads

[dice1950] 02/8/2016 07:44

Avanti Communications (AVN) World Vision International Talks Satellite for Humanitarian Work
2nd August 2016

[dice1950] 02/8/2016 07:41

Avanti Communications (AVN) Bid to improve African aviation safety
Aug 1, 2016

[dice1950] 02/8/2016 07:33

Avanti Communications (AVN) IwayAfrica sign internet deal
2nd August 2016

Pan-African broadband provider iWayAfrica has partnered with satellite data services firm Avanti Communications to increase connectivity speed by up to 15Mbps.

[dice1950] 02/8/2016 07:26

David Williams, Chief Executive Officer of Avanti Communications
2nd August 2016

[dice1950] 02/8/2016 07:22

THE Telegraph Avanti Communications (AVN) will find a buyer
2nd August 2016

[dice1950] 01/8/2016 21:55

Mentioned
Sepura (SEPU) Motorola being the likely predator
1st August 2016

[dice1950] 01/8/2016 21:54

Avanti Communications (AVN) satellite operators and private equity groups are also considering bidding
1st August
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[elrico] 01/8/2016 20:15

hpcg - I agree with you, of course II loan stock because it benefits them to do so. I would imagine they also put a short attack on their watchlist for a possible recovery on a short exit.

[hpcg] 01/8/2016 17:13

elrico - the only reason institutions lend stock or write covered options is to make money, otherwise they wouldn't do it. In some cases borrowing charges are a significant annualised return for the lender.

[elrico] 01/8/2016 16:48

michaelmouse - but you seem happy bashing company's you have no interest in, right! You have been quite prolific at this over the last 12 months, probably longer.

[elrico] 01/8/2016 16:46

hpcg - I would add, the lender of stock receive a fee or sorts, so IMHO Peter Lynch and michalemouse don't appear to appreciate how the market functions. That said, I do agree shorting can be damaging to smaller companies not yet established that may otherwise show great promise. Yet, I have yet to come across any evidence that demonstrates shorting has killed off any such company(s).

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy for some AVN shareholders, AVN directors deserve a good kicking and should pay back what they have leeched from shareholders.

[dice1950] 01/8/2016 16:38

Mark Kleinman ✔ @MarkKleinmanSky
Inmarsat withdraws takeover interest in smaller rival Avanti Communications - I'm told it pulled out over weekend after story became public.

[muffster] 01/8/2016 15:39

Going long is definitely the answer here. Level 2 picked up

[michaelmouse] 01/8/2016 15:24

jeffian - Big difference to me morally. See above.

[michaelmouse] 01/8/2016 15:22

Commodities are different hpcg, but yes I probably would ban futures for stocks.

Here's a question for you. Are you comfortable profiting from the failure of others whether they be Directors, employees, shareholders etc? If you are then you're probably comfortable shorting.

It just doesn't sit well with me. Going long is backing success, going short is backing failure.

[jeffian] 01/8/2016 15:15

CFD's etc? Long or short, what's the difference?

[hpcg] 01/8/2016 15:10

So you would ban futures too michaelmouse? Prohibit farmers from selling wheat which they haven't produced yet, for example?

[michaelmouse] 01/8/2016 14:59

hpcg - I've made my point. You're selling something you don't own.

[dice1950] 01/8/2016 14:50

Caroline Sibanda, General Manager of Hardwaves, explains why the Avanti/TelOne partnership has made a difference. ""Since TelOne installed the Avanti system, our business has changed. Our jobs have been made easy, everything is now more efficient. Our profits have increased and our dreams of expanding outside of Zimbabwe could be made real with satellite broadband."
Published on 01 August 2016

[dice1950] 01/8/2016 14:46

TelOne partners with Avanti Communications (AVN) on satellite broadband rollout
1st August 2016

[hpcg] 01/8/2016 14:42

michaelmouse - when shorting I am paying money to the owner of the shares for the privilege of doing what I want with them, which is mostly to sell them. The fully consenting owner of the shares knows this and lends the shares out to collect income on an asset they don't intend to sell. Are you suggesting that the owner of shares should not be allowed to do this?

[michaelmouse] 01/8/2016 14:33

Firstly, I agree that good companies thrive and bad companies (or badly run companies) don't.

On the shorting debate however, the argument that "shorters" put forward always appears to be that it's ok to carry out this practice since the company was either corrupt, overvalued, badly managed etc. However, two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm with Peter lynch on this one. From his book "One Up On Wall Street":-

"Shorting is the same thing as borrowing something from the neighbors (in this case, you don't know their names) and then selling the item and pocketing the money. Sooner or later you go out and buy the identical item (at a lower cost)and return it to the neighbors, and nobody is the wiser. It's not exactly stealing, but it's not exactly neighborly, either. It's more like borrowing with criminal intent"

Imo, if traders wish to take the risk shorting shares then go ahead, but don't try and justify your actions like you've been on some moral crusade to save investors from those nasty companies. You're selling something you don't own to make a quick buck. That's it.

[bwakem] 01/8/2016 13:58

Paul Scott: "This looks like another nail in the coffin for this terrible share. As I've mentioned before, the equity is clearly worth nothing, because Avanti is saddled with ridiculous 10% junk bonds. Once its remaining cash has run out, Avanti clearly won't be able to service the interest, let alone repay the capital. So it's bust - the equity is worth nothing - this has been very obvious indeed for a considerable length of time....."

[hpcg] 01/8/2016 13:57

I lost money being long Avanti. That was my own fault and no one else's.

[dylanl2] 01/8/2016 13:32

Even to the untrained eye this company has done virtually everything it can to fool people, no question it has some decent technology but looks to have been seriously mismanaged imo. Shorting will just bring everything to its logical conclusion a bit more quickly at worst.