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[veldt] 22/5/2012 10:58

jonncsimpson - I found The Naked Trader's book on spread betting to be useful. It has a good section on how to avoid the possible disasters that can happen!

[2350220] 22/5/2012 10:21

Very straightforward John,
Well easier said that always done of course.

Once you've got an account and funded it with one of the big S/B firms, you rund down their list of securities to see if they cover the one you are interested in.
Usually they'll give several prices: a daily, a near quarter close, a mid quarter close and a far quarter close (ie in about nine months time)
You say how much you want to stake per point, then select either Buy or Sell.
Make sure that you put in a reasonable Stop Loss, as you are risking the whole of your account otherwise.

If the security goes in your favour, you make money by however much you staked per point, and if it doesn't, then you loose money.

Any winnings are tax free in the UK.

If you need any more info, you are welcome to e-m me. NOT that I'm an expert, but I am finally more relaxed about S/B'ing and do use much larger stops, which has kept me in my Avanti position and finally seeing it turn a profit.
BUT a profit isn't a profit till you close out the bet.

All the best,
John
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[yorgi] 22/5/2012 10:17

Looks like we are about to move.....in all the time I have been following AVN it has been a slow starter and also once momentum starts it can move quite quickly.

[johncsimpson] 22/5/2012 09:52

backmarker 22 May'12 - 09:29 - 8883 of 8883

. . . . . I'm betting - literally, with a £2 spreadbet, lol - that we'll be moving up.

This is an honest question - I don't have any experience of spread betting but would you (or anyone else) care to explain the mechanics of how that works exactly? Its an honest question - although I have some idea, I don't have any actual experience of spread betting. TIA.

[yorgi] 22/5/2012 09:44

I will be surprised if we don't move through 400p before Hylas 2 is launched and with further press and news from AVN we push well beyond.

[backmarker] 22/5/2012 09:29

chartwise we're in a wedge that's due to be resolved very soon.

I'm betting - literally, with a £2 spreadbet, lol - that we'll be moving up.

last year we saw long periods in the 300-330 area so it would be reasonable to expect us to spend time here on the way up. however, having seen one whooosh up to the 370s I wouldn't be surprised to see another, and if launch fever excites enough new interest and a realisation of how undervalued this stock is then I think we could be into the 400's quite quickly, and certainly before launch day.

[yorgi] 22/5/2012 09:26

I would expect a trading statement of some kind before October not the full figures maybe.

What we do all know is Hylas 2 is far bigger than Hylas 1 and is covering a much wider area, Europe, Africa and the Middle East and the demand for high speed internet access is only going to grow and satellite is the only technology for some areas.

[backmarker] 22/5/2012 09:20

unfortunately the full year figures won't be out until around October. I don't know whether we'll get a hint of how we're doing before then.

but once Hylas 2 is confirmed operational - and we've been told it shouldn't take as long as with Hylas 1 - we make start to get some additional contracts. that would be good, because it's Hylas 2 that's going to make the big money for us.

[yorgi] 22/5/2012 09:02

As you rightly comment Backmarker Ariane is a very reliable launch platform and with Hylas 2 launched and some numbers coming through from Hylas 1 then the continued recovery of AVN should be assured.

[backmarker] 22/5/2012 08:57

rogk,

Hylas II launch or no Hylas II launch.....that IS the question

we need the former in order to get the future profits.

fortunately Ariane is a very reliable launch platform and I'm not anticipating a no-launch.

[failure is not an option]

[yorgi] 22/5/2012 08:57

The window for launch date is now less than 6 weeks away :-)

[yorgi] 22/5/2012 08:53

Ready for the next leg up as launch date closes in :-)

[johncsimpson] 22/5/2012 08:47

No momentum here at the moment. Flat trading channel developing . . .

[johncsimpson] 22/5/2012 08:39

Charts show momentum is right off at the moment and there's a flat trading channel developing between 303 and 320 - give or take. Could go on for days though it looks as though a drop back to the 280 area has passed - which will not be good news for anyone waiting to buy cheaper.

[pojscott] 21/5/2012 20:20

oNLY TWO OF MY STOCKS DOWN TODAY AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM!

[buffaloman] 21/5/2012 14:03

Very strange price movement (or non movement) around the 305p level. Possibly a large placing or order being filled! Hope it breaks up from here soon.

[yorgi] 21/5/2012 08:40

On up I would say Colva.

[colva] 21/5/2012 08:39

Where do we go from here ?

It looks like a pennant type pattern, a high volume break to the upside ? , or a low volume drop to the 200 day ?

Would someone whose more clued up than me like to comment?
ie. anyone .

[yorgi] 21/5/2012 08:11

I guess so but I don't see it really is of any great concern for us here in my view.

[backmarker] 21/5/2012 08:09

did you mean a "Rivington" post ?

[nugacity] 21/5/2012 01:52

Was told there was a rivetting post on here .....

[johncsimpson] 20/5/2012 16:57

The perceived wisdom (as relates to investing) used to be don't put all your eggs in one basket. It still holds good in my opinion but whereas 10 years ago I always had 10+ shares (and sometimes as many as 20) in my 'portfolio', nowadays it's around six and I now tend to dip in and out of the same share(s) over a period of time as events in that company dictate. I then leave them when I think they've run their course or there are better opportunities elsewhere. So these past few years, I've become more of a trader than investor.

I've posted on ADVFN for some time now and I've also posted on Motley Fool and iii (Interactive Investor).

I don't claim to be any kind of guru – far from it and as I've said before I get things wrong - and there are clearly some shares that charts do not work for as I'm still finding out to my cost. I invariably have no special knowledge re the shares I buy. That's not to say I don't do some research but I do rely a lot on tip sheets which help me find shares with good fundamentals - I've dipped in and out of AVN for over two years.

As far as AVN goes, charts do seem to work though not every time. I use several sets of graphs for each share I'm monitoring. There was a good chance Friday afternoon that AVN was about to head north again – two out of three indicators on a particular graphing system had turned positive and the third kept 'testing' positivity, albeit briefly. By the end of the day there was one positive, one neutral and one negative. Statistically there are numerous permutations here and clearly all three being positive is 'optimum'; though still not guaranteed to bring home the bacon. I have observed over a period of years that charts give me a higher chance of buying in at the right time. It's akin to picking the meaty bit out of the sandwich whilst ignoring the bread on either side. The problem is the bread sometimes looks rather tempting. Perhaps not the best analogy but I hope it explains.

As for posting my charts, it came about because having mentioned them a number of times on yorgi's thread next door, someone asked that I upload them. So I found out how to and I did - but most of the subsequent comments have been rather anti whereas I was hoping for some positive feedback/discussion that might help me glean some (new) subtleties . . . Ah well.

So looking at my charts now little has changed since Friday morning re the direction AVN will go. If you look at the right pennant graph in post 36 above, it was taken when AVN was down 4; by the end of the day it was down 6. Consequently the down slope is a little bit steeper now though still within the pennant lines. The second graphs with the MACD histogram now show the red block as being slightly deeper.

'Conventional wisdom' would suggest this pattern (the histogram that is) continues though for how many days I wouldn't begin to 'guess'. That in turn implies that the price will fall further towards the pennant support line. Those of you who are ahead of me here will observe that a drop to circa 303 or below (which is nothing in the scheme of things) will fulfil this condition. It came very close on Friday hence my 'on a knife edge' comment. We also still have a 300p psychological support line which has nothing to do with the charts, as such, except that it is there. So a sustained intraday drop below 300 will not be good IMO.

There seems to be a suggestion that a run-up as we had for Hylas1 is probably unlikely. Here, I mostly agree with the Count Chris post 8862 on yorgi's board but I can't believe that a successful launch will find us anywhere other than well above where we are now. But that (and it relates to how long AVN might stay in the zero area on the histogram) is some time away.

And then we have the on-going Euro situation.

As I've said before this is all IMHO and the graphs etc. are for interest only and please remember they are all geared to short term signals.

Rogk (post 42 above)

Re the Euro crisis - here is a simple explanation from our Antipodean cousins that should clear things up . . .