Avanti Communications Share Discussion Threads

[someuwin] 19/11/2010 11:54

Just for ib1905 -

5 trading days to go...

[yorgi] 19/11/2010 08:36

Of course not Share Shark :-)

Good to see we have some new posters/holders here these last few days :-)

[share_shark] 19/11/2010 07:36

Talking of launch dates.............this link might be of some help,,,depending on the result and on some of the comments posted here ?.

I am sure you wont banish me for posting this link here, yorgi?. ;-)

[ib1905] 19/11/2010 07:33

Morning all ..days to launch someuwin??

[naeclue] 18/11/2010 23:09

re space junk, this seems to be less of a danger for geo-stationary satellites, (of which Hylas is one), as they are at a higher orbit. The junk is pulled earthwards....

Happy with current price action, do wonder if we'll see some dips between now and next Friday.

[ib1905] 18/11/2010 20:55

Hi folks don't know if it helps the debate but here's an extract to an insurance liability paper ( link follows)
"As in life insurance, there is a high probability of loss at launch (birth) ,and in the early period of operation (infancy), a period of low risk of loss throughout the majority of operation, and a period of high probability of loss towards the end of the satellite's life. This paper describes the risks covered under a satellite policy
www.casact.org/pubs/forum/00fforum/00ff047.pdf
IB

[zorija] 18/11/2010 20:47

Chrissey,
I agree in terms of step 1 & 2. As someone stated it's not as if you can get the AA out if there is an operational fault.

But there is so much metal flying around space that any potential satellite could be hit and rendered inoperable. Guess that all adds to the probability of current/future operational success. Is there any evidence???

P.S. I hold and am still considering a top up prior to launch...
ZZZ

P.S.1

[chrissey] 18/11/2010 19:33

kind of an open ended comment someuwin?

post launch is any time in the future but I guess pre Hylas 2?

I have 750-800p early the week of the 29th, like some have noted already, the launch is after market close on the friday and I think we will see an initial spike post launch followed by more once operational status is confirmed - remember, getting Hylas 1 into space is step 1, confirming that is is working 100% is a second step and one that may not be confirmed for several days?

maybe there will be enough people who think a successful launch is enough so what happens and over what time will be interesting.

1000p plus by end of 2010, assuming the markets are in good shape is entirely feasible I'm sure.

I'm sure that some are in the stock for the launch gain and will be selling afterwards, that might give s dip or two.

good luck all holders, present and future!

[someuwin] 18/11/2010 19:18

...I'm much more interested in the price post launch. £10+ in my opinion.

[malcolmmm] 18/11/2010 19:15

been a buyer since 440p , am of an opinion that the share price will rise to 700p pre launch day

[abwr75] 18/11/2010 14:37

Swine flew last year!!!!!!!!!!

[chrissey] 18/11/2010 14:19

well, rather than preparing the turkey, I will be in Vegas when this rocket gets lit!

I'm sure this will put another perspective on my view towards risk and reward!

[marksnsparkle] 18/11/2010 12:35

plasterkay said ...

"in theory AVN could use it shares as currency to buy companys like BP, Vodafone and Shell."

I think we are more likely to see a pig fly first

[jeffian] 18/11/2010 12:25

altom/plasterkay,

The dangers you mention, whilst possible, are hypothetical. I think I'd rather stick to the "known knowns" and react to the "unknowns" if and when they appear. The point is that most of us DO understand the impact of dilution and it is not necessarily a bad thing (as, indeed, the July Placing by AVN has proved). Managements that do indulge in dilutive financing without producing corresponding returns for the benefit of all shareholders tend to feel the wrath of investors. Institutions don't like it as much as PI's.

[meljohn] 18/11/2010 11:59

Why would the share price stay the same when profits and EPS will have massively increased? Placings give shareholders a smaller share of a bigger cake. Whether this turns out to be a good or a bad thing will depend on very many different factors. It is simply not correct to say that placings or dilution are intrinsically bad (or good, come to that).

Unfortunately, many companies place shares to raise money that they then use for ordinary operating costs because they are running out of money, so the cake stays the same size and sharholders suffer form the effects of dilution. But it's not the placing that causes the problem - the placing only demonstrates to the market that the company is in trouble.

But where funds from a placing are used to purchase assets on the cheap the cake becomes significanlty bigger - and shareholders benefit.

When a business annouonces a placement the market is usually pretty shrewd and will mark the shares up or down depending on whether it looks as if the placement is good or bad for the company.

So, it all depends ...

[plasterkay] 18/11/2010 11:46

The point about dilution is that in theory AVN could use it shares as currency to buy companys like BP, Vodafone and Shell. It would then have a market cap of over 100million but the share price would stay the same. You can build empires with your shares, but shareholders can gain nothing.

[altom] 18/11/2010 09:12

Jeffian.
I used very large exaggerated numbers to make DILUTION extremely clear.
jonnyno1 post 1145 did not seem to understand so I thought I was being helpful.
I agree that AVN may well be able to launch future satellites with little or no
dilution if the first launch is successful and sales rocket also. AVN should then have banks keen to finance future launches although they(banks) may insist on a piece of the action as well to give best terms and least onerous covenants.

[ib1905] 18/11/2010 09:02

someuwin - nothing if not consistent - one of few words - unlike my ceaseless babble....!!

[someuwin] 18/11/2010 08:59

6 trading days to go...

[share_shark] 18/11/2010 08:08

I have heard a lot from Talk Talk(groan) but they seem to be taking notice.




Another good site to keep your eye on.

[m.t.glass] 18/11/2010 07:29

"..ahead of the launch on Friday, 26 November. The launch will be webcast live at. and will occur in a window between 18.39 and 21.54 Greenwich Mean Time. The Ariane 5's liftoff with Intelsat 17 and HYLAS 1 is set for November 25.."

Do any of these journalists proof-read anything before publishing??

[share_shark] 18/11/2010 02:01

Reminder.

Designed and built by EADS Astrium and NOT by Thales.

[share_shark] 18/11/2010 01:57

Satnews Daily
November 17, 2010

Avanti Communications Is Happy... HYLAS 1 Fueled For Launch


The Ariane 5 for Arianespace's November 25 mission approaches its Launcher Integration Building at the Spaceport.[SatNews] Avanti Communications (AIM: AVN), the satellite broadband operator, has been informed that its HYLAS 1 satellite has been fully fueled and will be integrated with the Ariane 5 launch vehicle tomorrow ahead of the launch on Friday, 26 November. The launch will be webcast live at. and will occur in a window between 18.39 and 21.54 Greenwich Mean Time.

The Ariane 5's liftoff with Intelsat 17 and HYLAS 1 is set for November 25, and will be the 198th mission of an Ariane family launcher.

Once in orbit, Intelsat 17 will offer distribution in a region that extends across Asia and into Europe and Africa, operating from an orbital positioned of 66 deg. East – effectively located next to Intelsat's successful Asian video distribution neighborhood positioned at 68.5 degrees East. The spacecraft was built by Space Systems/Loral, and carries C- and Ku-band capacity to provide multi-continental coverage. It is to replace the Intelsat 702 satellite, which was launched by Arianespace in June 1994.

HYLAS 1 will bring high-speed broadband services to remote rural areas across Europe using a highly adaptable Ku- and Ka-band payload. Designed and built by EADS Astrium for satellite broadband operator Avanti Communications, this spacecraft is designed to allocate varying amounts of power and bandwidth to the various regions within its footprint, reacting to the highs and lows of traffic demand

[peedlep] 17/11/2010 21:06

Hi Cantonblue, I am in the same scenario £14 p/p .stops currently at 540. I don't believe amending your stop will affect what price you get striked out at. Given we will know the success of the launch over a weekend, if the launch is not succesful then we could see the price drop back down to the 250 mark (just my suggestion) If the market opens up here then that is the price that you will be stopped out at (this happened to me when fogl announced a 'duster' well a while back). Thats said, like you would welcome advice...I guess you could consult with your SB company.