Amd Commo Exagr Discussion Threads

[loverat] 26/10/2009 05:03

And on the subject of my comments yesterday about compensation.

Anomalous - 23 Oct'03 - 22:57 - 1600

It'll cost the MMs a lot more than £25,000 to extricate themselves. Quite apart from the fact that as a group we can "make the
market" in our share and dictate terms to the MMs responsible. The minimum we should settle for is a 30 bagger. But to be punitive for the de-ramper, we ought to charge them a 50 bagger, just to be sure.


15 October 2003

Room Service Group Plc ( "the Company")

Notifiable interest

The Company was notified earlier today that, following a purchase of 10,000,000
ordinary shares, Photo Distribution Limited is now beneficially interested in
10,000,000 ordinary shares in the Company, representing 8.05 per cent. of the
issued share capital of the Company.





Not sure I follow all the talk of a 50 bagger there and the reference to the deramper but surely you are not saying that Cougar6 would receive a 50 times his investment in compensation from the MM's?

Seems a little excessive to me - if you don't mind me saying so.

[loverat] 26/10/2009 04:48

But then some derampers are good rampers also. Some examples of basic ramping - for the benefit of newbies of course.

Anomalous - 30 Jul'04 - 20:38 - 251 of 294

>User75160
I like EPE at the moment and have held them for a couple of months. They are in the same field as EPA, but are about to start their revenue stream. Everything looks very promising indeed.

The directors are extremely savvy about China and have the contacts at both end to set up a constant flow of people to their schools. On top of that, they have links with other Chinese focused companies like LDC. So these guys are not going to pick losers, only winners.

I've put a small stake in them, maybe you could too? (depending on the size of your 'bundle'). Good Luck.

Anomalous - 21 Feb'05 - 21:12 - 3978 of 8914
snowman69
I may not be licensed by the FSA, but IMHO I would steer clear of CYC and CWO. You'd be better off in LDC for the meanwhile and possibly any IPO they bring out.


cougar6 - 24 Nov'01 - 00:56 - 557 of 718

The company is also being targeted by the larger share holders

GreenRichard - 29 Nov'01 - 15:41 - 676 of 718

cougar - are you either G Allnut or George House holdings Ltd? Or both?


cougar6 - 29 Aug'03 - 00:25 - 63 of 243
price is holding up was hoping to get a few on the cheap

cougar6 - 11 Sep'03 - 10:20 - 115 of 132
there again is very little stock around

[loverat] 26/10/2009 04:35

Yes - the MM's got a big whacking over their heads alright. Still - on the downside cougar6 didn't get his company either and threatened a 'mult million
law suit' which never seemed to materialise.

As for rampers and derampers, nowadays I take a dimmer view of such activities. Just take a look at some of the threads on here over the weekend - rampers and derampers filling up the HDY thread with their rubbish. People new to investing reading all those comments and sometimes making investment decisions. I should know - back in the days of EVS I had a friend who bought on the strength of one post. One of the friends of the offender who made the post called it an 'elaborate spot of ramping'. This included posting under the initials of one of the directors, clearly in the hope people would think it was his attempt to reassure the BB which was becoming increasing negative. (see post below)

Lots of dodgy and underhand things went on at EVS. A group of posters got in with the management and when things went pear shaped many sold and reinvented themselves under new names. They are even ramping other stocks on this site and I give these people and their ramping a very wide berth. Still, I understand that one of them lost money in LGB, helped shareholders in the action group and seemingly changed his ways by joining the board of a company set up to create a charity for defrauded investors. Just goes to show - some people do change for the better.

StvE - 8 May'05 - 21:57 - 6384 of 6402


Hi guys.

Having been an investor in Envesta Telecom for some time, I have watched these threads closely, seeing people come and go, some with regret, some with pleasure.

In many cases such as this, with small companies that are listed on AIM, the BB's are the heart and life-blood for new and present investors to get information, discuss their views on the stock whether positive and negative and give useful feedback to the company they are set up for.

A considerable number of directors of such companies watch and listen, using this feedback to improve investor relations and improve the company itself.

In my opinion, some of the main contributors here that are in defence of Envesta, spend more time than is reasonable improving the general feel good factor which in turn, can in some cases, be noticed by certain elements who control the share price.

Envesta Telecom have suffered the wrath of shareholders for the mistakes of the past and have addressed certain issues that brought the company to it's knees. It is now a company with a young dynamic management, who have turned the previous misfortunes into a successful, forward moving and profitable venture, interesting enough to attract a chairman who's telecom experience will take Envesta to new highs.

I note this afternoon the post from Advansuk withdrawing from contributing to this thread. If a few more take the view that it is wiser to shut up than sit up, I fear the damage short term may well affect your investments.

Perhaps not long term, as the stock market will value Envesta on performance and profit, but this could possibly slow things down if the BB is full of uncontested comments.

You must all remember that the AIM market is more closely watched by investors as it is the 'poor man's' entry to the stockmarket and as kindergarten, they look to the BB's for help.

Regular contributors such as Quinan, Peteark, Arthurly, Dixi, Guru11 and many more are the mainstay's and if you give in to people like we have seen recently, they too will slip away, leaving this BB a skeleton.

Advansuk, personally I am pleased that you have argued the case, you have been fighting a battle for the company, your friends on here and your investment.
I am sorry you feel it is unappreciated by some.

To those of you who seem to find pleasure in other peoples upset and think it clever to endeavour to change market sentiment to line your own pockets at these peoples expense, you are the epitomy of evil.

Envesta Telecom is set to announce better than expected results at the next financial update and Cheaper Call rate is receiving tremendous response in line with expectations.

Keep up the good work all of you.

[thefordprefect] 26/10/2009 02:51

hhhhhhhmmmmmm!

Anomalous - 23 Oct'03 - 22:57 - 1600
Never have I had so much fun reading a BB, (other than my own!). This is very entertaining stuff. I nearly split my sides
laughing when I realised what the MMs had done to themselves last week.
So I decided to join the ADVFN RSV club last Friday and bought up 700,000 (now consolidated to 7,000). I've notified Agincourt
of my details, but Jmillskeel, please note as well. I'm arranging for the share certificate to be sent to me and will co-ordinate
with the group. Please give me the contact details for offline, ICQ or Messenger or text. If you need proof of my status, I have
contract notes etc and I'm known on other boards (CDG).
It's only a small punt and I've more than covered this with the CYH rise today. So like PaulKent , I'm not concerned if we lose it
all. It's also very reassuring that someone like Me Me is in on this as well. I hold Yoo and was very pleased when I heard that
yoo'd managed to make the half million so quickly. Have yoo told the girlfriend yet?
Now that we've caught the MMs with their trousers down, they're up to all sorts of tricks to try and get themselves out of the
poo. They've even given the board its own village idiot too! It's quite obvious why he's here. He's been planted to try and cause
as much discord as possible. But all he's succeeded in doing is uniting everyone to stand against the MMs and make them pay
through the nose. His boss will not be so happy when we decide en-masse to make them pay for this action.
What this de-ramper fails to realise, is that every time he opens his mouth and makes a statement of doom and gloom, he
looks more pathetic and sad. He also fails to realise that we don't care if we lose our money. First rule of investment is to never
invest more than you can afford to lose. As successful investors we all understand this. Sadly he doesn't. He won't go away,
because he's being paid to stay here. It's a sign of the MM's panic that they employ these 'retired' traders to frighten up some
cheap sales.
There's a similar poster on the CRX board who's been de-ramping for months now. He started when the share was less than 1p
and is still doing so even though they are fifteen times that value. When CRX is worth £1s, we'll all club together to get the poor
chap a psychiatrist. He's obviously 'lost the plot' and needed sectioning for his own protection. Maybe we should do the same
with ours? At least we could allow him to knit his own straight jacket!
On the serious side, I agree that we need to co-ordinate and get professional legal advice with respect to taking the best course
of action. A real rights issue (to the actual share holders) could be the best way of dealing with the debt problem. The creditors
will probably accept a partial settlement to get hard cash. When that's gone, the shell is in a much better position to be used.
The existing directors may be amenable to persuasion. They also stand to benefit on the MM's exposure. They obviously want
to use the shell, otherwise why change the name?
The original Chiddingford D4E deal has been shelved for a very good reason. Whoever promised the MMs their extra shares is
seriously worried that the FSA's investigation of the overselling, would expose the insider-trading share agreement. The MMs
must be very annoyed at losing those shares. It was their one chance of getting out of the mess with some profit. I just hope
that the person(s) has a bullet-proof vest. Some traders can get nasty, as witnessed on the BBC3 programme tonight.
It'll cost the MMs a lot more than £25,000 to extricate themselves. Quite apart from the fact that as a group we can "make the
market" in our share and dictate terms to the MMs responsible. The minimum we should settle for is a 30 bagger. But to be
punitive for the de-ramper, we ought to charge them a 50 bagger, just to be sure.
Fines and prison terms are the norm when the FSA are satisfied that rules have been broken. Boy did they break the rules!
I've been in contact with the FSA and they have asked us to speak with UK Listing Authority. I'd be happy to do this, but will
need the support of some of the major holders. We need to collate our data to prove that there was over-trading by the MMs
and identify which ones are in the 'hole'.
Whilst they are being investigated, we can set everything in motion to raise the rights issue and/or arrange the alternate
finance. In the meantime, we need to remain calm. Don't do anything precipitive. In the words of Teddy Roosevelt:
Speak softly, Carry a big stick
then whack the MMs over the head with it!

[loverat] 25/10/2009 19:45

And just before I retire I will leave some of you to reflect on this old quote I have picked up from somewhere...



If you speak lies long enough and with enough force and no one contradicts you, others believe that you speak the truth.

[loverat] 25/10/2009 19:37

Anomalous - 24 Dec'03 - 00:33 - 666 of 712
> Sir Bedevere

Thank you, it is very nice of you to say that.

But justice must never sleep, the lady must be awake to wield the sword of truth, punish the wrongdoer and protect the innocent..................and be on ADVFN!




Yes folks - justice never sleeps.....

[loverat] 25/10/2009 18:56

Agincourt - 5 Dec'03 - 10:05 - 173 of 711
I have just phoned Graham Dell FCA Finance Director of EVG. He was busy. I have informed his secretary that I am making a complaint about him to the Institute of Chartered Accountants with the aim (lol) of getting him expelled.

The numbers to call are EVG Telephone: [phone]

and the institute 0207 7920 8400

GO FOR HIM

A Chartered Accountants greatest fear is expulsion. Let him know that you are going to complain, then complain and he will move heaven and earth to protect himself. While he is under investigation the Institute will treat him like he has lepresy. Just think - whatever he does he will have to disclose it. He won't even be able to apply for a new job - no one would touch him lol





'A Chartered Accountants greatest fear is expulsion'

Your're right there Agincourt - but don't be too vindictive. The bloke may be a financial genius. The economy needs these people to revive the economy.

[loverat] 25/10/2009 18:48

An extract from the FT article covering the story at the time.....

COMPANIES UK: Room Service bounces back into the blue
By Clay Harris and Elizabeth Rigby
Financial Times; Dec 05, 2003


Nigel Smith, a co-ordinator for the Room Service Shareholder's Action Group, said he, along with 80 other shareholders, wanted to vote for an alternative deal, led by George Allnutt, the West Country entrepreneur.

Mr Allnutt says his hands were tied. "I acquire shell companies and put things into them and try to turn them round. I bought a 8.2 per cent stake in Room Service as a gamble. It was a cheap way of getting hold of it and the idea was to go to the AGM and put together an alternative proposal. However, my shares were never delivered."

[loverat] 25/10/2009 17:19

Well, I certainly have trouble understanding the concept.

But perhaps I am taking things too far with my last anology.

Yes I suppose another anology might be if London Asia shareholders eventually get all their money back but then decide to take out a class action against the offenders. Shall we say 50% of the profits of the other businesses they run and 50% of the value of their houses for dereliction of duty and 100% in the cases if and when fraud is proven?

Mind you - when you think about it, it does not sound that unreasonable after all.

[mack7heknife] 25/10/2009 15:36

"I expect any judge to laugh long and hard when presented with this nonsense."

thats assuming the judge does'nt have trouble understanding the concept .

[loverat] 25/10/2009 12:06

SG

How many LGB shares do I need to buy to qualify for admission to your club?

And what are the entry requirements?

[loverat] 24/10/2009 21:25

Watch this one guys...

Classic comedy.......

[saturdaygirl] 24/10/2009 21:19

Pretty sad if you think i will enter communication with a low life such as your self .