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Allied Minds Plc LSE:ALM London Ordinary Share GB00BLRLH124 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.00 0.0% 13.85 10.05 12.65 - 0.00 00:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
General Financial 1.5 -16.2 -6.0 - 34

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11/5/2020
09:18
Yes, specto, you could boss people about and be your officious self. You could even wear those fake medals on your tunic. "For valour in the face of the Stasi enemy"!
pete_bane
11/5/2020
07:49
I think you may be whistling in the dark, Specto. I sympathise with you because you've already taken a huge hit here(and in another dozen or so similar shares). I mean wouldn't it be better if you confronted the sad fact that a drop of over 40% odd is a massive blow to your portfolio, such as it is now.

I think, for the time being at least, you should take that temp job as a Queue Marshall at Morrisons.

chuckol
11/5/2020
07:40
You have to hope Federated will sell for more than last round. Spin Memory could be the multi bagger as great product and last investment was in 2018 and largely quiet without fund raise could be a good sign. Bridgesat not sure.
wnd78
10/5/2020
19:32
Thanks @wnd78 - I fancy at least one of Federated or Spin to go for better money, tho also have to burn some of that cash down over time, & timescales important.

Agree on tiny stuff being largely worthless too.

ALM done well not to be holding largely Covid-unaffected stuff.

spectoacc
10/5/2020
10:09
ALM Federated Wireless stake post money = $88m
Current issues share capital of ALM = 241,568,306
Value per share = 36.4c
Value per share GBX = 29.3p (fluctuates with exchange rate obviously)

Regarding cash, I estimate that ALM currently holds around $45m which takes previously disclosed cash, adds the amount they kept from the Hawkeye sale, subtracts the investments made since then (including Federated), subtracts a bit for head office burn.

This means current cash per share = 18.6c or 15p

So Federated stake + ALM Cash at hand = 44p

Then you have Bridgesat (8p / share valuation of ALM holding at last round) and Spin Memory (19p / share valuation of ALM holding at last round)

Then you have a few others that are tiny / early stage and probably worthless

Add this up and IF they can sell these businesses in future for at least the valuation of the last round, then you have around 70p / share.

That of course is the big IF....

wnd78
10/5/2020
09:00
Sorry I did not read it through correctly my apologies
giggs2006
10/5/2020
08:56
Are these figures correct as Hawkeye was sold by allied minds for $65.6 million which equated to 22p per share For AM. So how does $260 million equate to 28-29p per share 🤷‍a92;️
giggs2006
09/5/2020
18:53
28p per share, but cash at company level dropped due to the investment of course.
spectoacc
09/5/2020
14:12
Oops, those should have been $ signs not £!

Pre money valuation = $226.7m
Post money valuation = $240.4m
ALM stake post money = $88m
Per share = 28-29p (GBX)

wnd78
09/5/2020
13:16
Some very fundamental misunderstandings here of the difference in mechanics between investing in a company for new share issuances vs buying/selling existing shares.

Imagine the following scenario. I have a company with technology that is worth £100 (my enterprise value) and £10 in my company bank account. My company is therefore valued at £110. You decide to invest in my company, and you invest £55 in return for new shares (note, you didn’t BUY the shares from someone else, the company issued you new shares so the company receives your £55). Do you get 50% of the company? No, you don’t. Why? Because after your investment of £55, my company is now worth £165 (£100 enterprise value plus £65 cash in it’s account, or to put it another way a pre-money valuation of £110 and a post-money valuation of £165). You actually get new shares equal to £55/£165 = 33% of the company. If we sell it tomorrow for the same post money valuation, you get your investment back.

Now turning to Federated, we have all the numbers we need to work this out:

ALM previously diluted holding = 35.8%
ALM new diluted holding = 36.61%
Amount invested in total = 13.7m
ALM share of that amount = 50%

So, quick maths lesson:

Let N = pre-money valuation at this latest round

Then the new shares issued are worth 13.7 / (N + 13.7) as a percentage of the enlarged share capital of the company. Let’s call this V.

This means that ALMs new shareholding is:

35.8% * (1 - V) [dilution of existing shareholding] + V/2 [new shares] = 36.61%

Solving for V, we have V = (36.61% - 35.8%) / 14.2% = 5.7%

Then solving for N, we have N = 13.7m/5.7% - 13.7m = £226.7m

So the pre-money valuation was £226.7m (up about 13% on last rounds post-money), post money valuation is £240.4m (£226.7 + new money of £13.7m) and thus ALM’s stake is currently valued at £240.4 * 36.61% = £88m or 28p per share of ALM.

wnd78
03/5/2020
06:55
I was wrong. Somewhere the figures are not entirely right though
bobonumber1
29/4/2020
06:58
Maybe so. The valuation would still be around the Billion mark however
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
21:39
bobo, A potential problem of your calculation is that it assumes no internal changes in share capital at federated wireless in the time between the september funding and the more recent funding.

There will likely be a range of directors options and warrants.

You will notice that the undiluted increase in holding of 0.54% is exceeded by the fully diluted 0.8% increase.

This suggests that someone has converted an option in the time period.

flyfisher
28/4/2020
20:41
What should usually happen is that any exit (assuming we have a product that works) will be above any of the previous raises which gives further reassurance that our current share price is a bargain. If you look at our main 4 now you have to be hopeful of at least £2 a share all in if they come off. That's a serious upside. It could well be much more than that too depending on market conditions. If spin can ever get off the ground then that's a recurring revenue source. It could even produce a dividend
alasdair100new
28/4/2020
19:49
The seeds would be diluted and the new investors given their % based on the valuation.
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
19:46
If none of the seed investors wanted to contribute and they had to seek outside investors then what % would that 13.5 milly have given them?
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
19:40
I don't think so.
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
19:12
@bobo - are you not missing the additional money that went in? ie isn't the change in ALM's interest that's relevant, per se - they're just maintaining/not tweaking much their % holding.
spectoacc
28/4/2020
19:03
Let's make it easier. If you pay $13.85 million for 1% of a company how much is 100% ?
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
17:54
From interim accounts

Federated Wireless

-- Year formed: 2012
-- Date of last funding round: September 2019
-- Post-money valuation: $201.3 million

Add $13.7m additional funding, gives $215m

flyfisher
28/4/2020
17:14
Give or take !
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
17:12
Previously Alm's fed % was 43% undiluted and 36%fully. Alm pump in 50% for series c funding $6.85 mill. Their Fed percentage now goes up to 43.11 undiluted & 36.61 fully diluted. So they paid $6.85 million for 0.61%That values fed at $1.2 billion based on last funding round
bobonumber1
28/4/2020
16:40
Based on the last funding round federated is valued at $215m.

Federated funding valuation alone, plus cash at ALM equals 36.5p per share.

One would hope that they will ultimately get a premium for it.

flyfisher
28/4/2020
15:00
What do people make the last fed raise at?My calcs 0.6% for 6.85 mill values Fed at 1.2 billion $ give it take
bobonumber1
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