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| Share Name | Share Symbol | Market | Stock Type |
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| Coffee Republic | CFE | London | Ordinary Share |
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| 0.00 | 0.00% | 22.00 | 01:00:00 |
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Posted at 28/7/2009 12:04 by cold as ice Factual warnings based on a weakening economy. Factual warnings based on persistent loss-making P & L account. Factual warnings based on liabilities exceeding assets. Facts that the barriers to entry to the industry of making coffee and cakes is tremendously low. Facts that the CEO was pub 'n' greasy spoon seller but not experienced in running a large national chain listed on the stock exchange. Those were all facts. The character of the CEO is not as much fact, but it doesn't have to be. The basis is one of judgment which is a little more subjective, but it seems one which has proven to be correct regardless of whether it was based on fact or not.Now you can argue about the franchisees comments that is true, but related to the above it is the smallest of the issues which you have picked up on. I do notice that you have not commented on those. You say you have chuckled over some of the comments. I don't think this is about laughing but people, but if it is, the last laugh lies with those who judged correctly. Unfortunately for the investors, unless they got out with a buck it is no laughing matter I suspect. |
Posted at 28/7/2009 09:13 by cold as ice It's funny that "hindsight" is being used as a word on here as if it come out of nowhere. No doubt there are an element of people on here who think this was a "black swan" event. But there were people warning on here about the franchises. There were people warning on here about the character of some of the owners. There were people warning on here about the economic outlook for this company. And there were people warning about the company's persistent weak finances and poor balance sheet.But what was the response? "If you don't believe us don't criticise." "It's all in the brand". "We've got information you haven't". "You don't understand". "You need to get with the programe". "Believe". Such is the mindset in a bubble or whereby a close cabal become defensive and are unable to deal with external critique. It's the same mindset that led the internet stocks investors to the slaughter. In other words, despite factual warnings against investing in this business, there was not a jot of factual evidence nor hard information in its defence. I think this company is going to be the subject of a few people's "case analysis" in UK business degrees, MBAs and investments magazines and journals in the future. It seems to be that the warnings (and lessons) were clear. 1. Don't invest when in a loss making debt-ridden company unless there is a clear feasible plan to turn it around 2. Don't invest in a company where management do not have experience of running such large scale operations, and where their character is unproven 3. Pay attention to the economic climate 4. Do not invest in a saturated market were supply of competitive products are high 5. Don't invest in a company for the long-term in a sector whose barriers to entry are tiny (selling coffee and cakes) 6. When investing in a company scrutinise the balance sheet and challenge the value of a "brand" or "goodwill" - especially where that "brand" or "goodwill" is generating consisten losses. The list goes on and on. The above isn't new. It's old rope. It's such a shame a few basic were not grasped by investors with money to burn. Let's hope lessons are learned. And let's hope nobody goes under as a result of it. |
Posted at 17/7/2009 19:14 by monkeyspanner Seems like Barty's plan to buy it back has failed which has probably saved the investors who backed him from getting another beating.I have spoken to a few franchisees who are glad neither Breach or Bartlett are going to get back in. Can't find anyone with a good word for either of them. It's a shame for the genuine investors who backed Barty's original dream though, my own losses were minimal compared to some and I feel for you, good luck to all for the future. |
Posted at 07/7/2009 18:03 by pigboy Daimon - as you say Barty and Breach hold all the cards - i'm sure what's left as a paper trail for the juicy bits will only be enough to scare away potential investors; not encourage. The only way the investors would have a chance of getting anything will be to spill the beans if they have any really concrete evidence to provide to the administrator/Receiv |
Posted at 11/6/2009 17:42 by winning_streak This thread is an area where I know investors look - not sure about prospective franchisees but it is becoming more known about. By posting questions, it just may get people to think first before getting dragged in. If, by our efforts it stops just one investor losing money - job done. I know that ex franchisees have prevented a couple of franchises going ahead by pure word of mouth. And, if real investors see the attitude of current "shareholders" imo who are not shareholders, they may see the nature of the beast behind the name. |
Posted at 31/5/2009 17:11 by jaf1948 crdirect,Your posts show that you are still in a state of denial. We investors believe that Coffee Republic can become a great company, but of course it is a gamble - anyone who says differently is fooling themselves (the share price alone tells you that). It was a gamble for Barty and Peter to take over the management in October 2006 without being able to do due diligence on the books first. It is a gamble for franchisees to take a franchise in a company with new and unproven management and a different business model to the other coffee chains. It is a gamble for all the investors (including myself) who have put money into a company which has never made a profit in 12 years. All three parties have done it because they believe the reward is worth the risk. But it is still a gamble. If you believed otherwise, you have only been fooled by yourself, no-one else. |
Posted at 23/4/2009 12:37 by jaf1948 ws,So what was an 'IMO' a few posts ago, now becomes 'how much have CR lost on this one?'. Either a) you're making it all up or b) the original IMO was to cover yourself because you have contacts and know what is going on. To reiterate, yes I am losing money with my investment in CR. It is not helped by puerile posts such as yours. If you cared about investors, then you would post what you know. If you don't care, then fair enough and we investors can ignore you. |
Posted at 03/4/2009 11:45 by berni9 Same old, same old eh?Apart from KM who is behaving like a bit of a brat. Driving people underground indeed, don't know who anyone's up against - concrete boots by any chance? LOL I hope potential investors and real investors are reading this because they are going to sure as hell be queuing to buy shares in such an honest to goodness bunch. Cash to the snitch - left in a red telephone box in a black holdall was it? LOL No, nothing so simple, left luggage at St. Pancras and the key was under the toilet seat in The Oyster Bar. LOL, LOL, LOL |
Posted at 03/2/2009 15:03 by lordkendal Hammy, Johnny, Et AlI suspect that comes as no surprise to you .. engineering contrary arguments, which truth be told is what you crave .. sport with the investors :-) Speaking for myself it's all too tiresome and depressing to be bothering about .. however I have to give it to you, it is irritating .. I for one will not give you any further oxygen for your fire .. for without that your comments would go unread, unanswered and in the fullness of time you will get fed up and depart to pastures new !! I recommend same course of action to all my fellow investors. Of course you may be right, CFE vanishes and your predictions are proved correct. You will be happy and hundreds of employees and investors unemployed and sad. I know which outcome for CFE I prefer. Alan |
Posted at 17/12/2008 21:56 by maxisales Dan, whatever he's posting - ignore the bloody idiot and keep asking questions of the "real" investors because I most certainly willHow many franchises have been sold over the last two years? How many are still operating? How many have been resold, taken back and resold? Where is the money for the resales in the accounts? Where is Dan's £400k in the accounts? Investors/potential investors - For your own sakes - DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH - INDEPTH, THOROUGHLY and, if you speak to CR staff or current investors - GET IT IN WRITING!! |
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