Zenith Energy Share Discussion Threads

[p o n a] 15/9/2012 21:26

Lunar Media and Synety combine VoIP and CRM in the cloudJames Stirling, September 13, 2012

Integrates Synety's CloudCall into its Cloud CRM product.

Cloud telephony company Synety has partnered with cloud CRM software provider Lunar Media to integrate the CloudCall on-demand business telephony system into the Lunar CRM suite.



The amalgamation will allow users of Lunar CRM to access PBX and telephony functions from within the suite. These include desktop click-to-dial, appending call histories and complete recording of calls to customer records, and comprehensive call reporting.

The integration was done using Synety's CloudCall API, which enables embedding of cloud telephony services in applications with minimal coding.

The integration means that voice functions can be embedded into the CRM suite enabling complete records of phone transactions to be managed and accessed as easily as an email, providing instant access to and playback of calls for compliance, verification or training purposes.

Mark Seemann, chief executive of Synety said that voice is a "critical element of customer communications, so why should it be separated from other customer records in CRM or sales systems?"

"Integrating voice into CRM software bridges this gap, providing an accurate record of calls that is accessible alongside the customer's contact history, enabling staff to maintain more effective communication with clients," he said. "It also enriches the overall database by delivering a fuller picture of customer interaction."

One company that is using the integrated service is Bradford-based insurance company Moove Insurance. The company, which started using Lunar CRM in early 2012, has 30 staff, all of whom are now making outbound calls through Synety's CloudCall, using click-to-dial from customer records in the CRM system.

Moove Insurance's managing director Harjit Moore said that the ability to call customers directly from their CRM system, and have access to complete records of voice transactions, has boosted efficiency.

"The call recordings are key to ensuring we are always compliant with FSA regulations, and the fact the entire solution is cloud-based, with no upfront capital costs, means it can quickly scale up as our needs grow," said Moore.

Both Lunar CRM and Synety's CloudCall are available on a per-user, per month basis. The companies said deploying the service involved no upfront capital expenditure and no software to install or maintain.

[p o n a] 15/9/2012 21:24

great find pjjj

[p o n a] 15/9/2012 21:24

hi duncan

the holding is split between by wife and myself in respective accounts. I've checked.. and no need to report as ownership is by two different people.

[pjj71] 15/9/2012 21:21

Just in the airport lounge and came across this whilst waiting

[duncandisorderly] 14/9/2012 10:32

Pona mate,just to say if you hold 2.1 mil exactly you might have to declare it as it exceeds the 3% mark or you might well of rounded them up like I usually do and hold just under the 3% mark with certain compannies,(in the good old days,when I had cash.)
It doesn't bother me two hoots but you know what the FSA is like as they never go after the big guys just the little people and your a good man so I don't want you getting in the sh*t.

[stegrego] 14/9/2012 08:40

No worries.

[duncandisorderly] 14/9/2012 08:33

I agree with some of your points funnily enough and believe me have been involved with companies for years where the company has never made a penny and the bod get paid handsomely.
Every time they need more money in the pot they simply do a share issue.
Some have paid out huge rewards while some have gone bust.
In this instance however all the r&d which involved time and money was done over the last 4/5 years so I am prepared to let this year slide.If however we don't manage to see a significant amount of,"seats" on the books then I will be the first to start shouting at the AGM.
I have done it before and will do it again, but reading between the lines I can't help feeling these boys are going to be building it up purely to sell it on at a huge profit.
Time will tell,so let's give it a rest and see what pans out.

[stegrego] 14/9/2012 08:28

The mere fact you bought into ZEN in its initial guise tells me everything I need to know about your judgement and research capabilities....

[pjj71] 14/9/2012 08:25

Stegrego,

Your lack of research into the management team is so lacking is laughable.. If you devoted as much time into research as you do into posting dribble you would see that Cleaver was exceptionally successful in the telecom/ict space before he was parachuted into Zenergy last year. The guy at least saved something for zen shareholders unlike many thieving crooks who parade as management teams on AIM.

Goodbye!!!

[stegrego] 13/9/2012 19:31

PONA,

You have obviously done very well over the years and I congratulate you on that.

I have no ulterior motive, I'm not short (something I find morally repugnant in small companies), nor do I want in cheaper.

You will very well know that much of investing is about the risk / reward ratio.

For me, this is tipped way too far towards the risk end. For a small punt it's perhaps not too bad, but I'd put it on par or behind an oil company drilling wildcats.

Really early days for this company and it's something that would really struggle to get funding if it was to properly float.

I find it quite offensive that people are paid 100k or more to run such a venture. Plus bonuses, plus share options, plus management incentive schemes.

Last year the directors got paid 4 grand. Now it's 300 grand. Directors and employees appear to now number the same... I see no justification for these sort of salaries and it is in my eyes taking the mick out of Mr average Joe Public who earns 25k a year.

That money is going to be eaten up very quickly with such high salaries.

Practically no revenue, unproven product, burning cash left, right and centre. This isn't a good mix.

I can't gauge the value of the company as I have no idea what their margins are, revenue per seat, potential seats, cost base etc etc. and more to the point, nor can you.

If I look at cash then it is about half a million less than the current valuation of 4p. 5 million new shares worth 80p each is 4 million quid. I see no reason to value it any higher than that until it makes a profit.


However, that's not to say the share price won't go up. Plenty of shares have soared based purely on hope rather than actual earnings. In a bull market pretty much everything rises and the reverse in a bear. I don't know what market we are in at the moment.

I'm with Issac Newton when he said that 'he could predict the movements of heavenly bodies but not the madness of men' when referring to the stock market.

Therefore I won't take up your offer of a wager, as many strange things happen in the share world. The balance of probabilities says that this company will eventually fail. I suspect the fleet of foot might make cash in the interim period, if they ride the waves.

[euclid5] 13/9/2012 15:57

Yep...PONA was in LOGP nice & early like myself but i would say that LOGP had a timeline work programme to work to - but it was all in the maser plan that they had a 20% wi in a future commercial oil field - just required to prove up 1800bopd in the flow tests - which they did - easy money deal that was

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 14:20

Another example...nearly 10 years ago.. a software company called Manpower Software (now called Allocate). I was buying the stock @3.5p... loss making.... directors reaping good rewards via salary for years. Eventually they got it right and carved out a sector in the NHS selling their software. I sold out at 35p.

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 14:17

I know duncan. I'm giving him an opportunity to back his views with hard cash.

I have invested in so many loss making companies that have done literally nothing for yonks.. whilst directors pay themselves good salaries... however i've made good profit eventually as the company in the end delivers.

Euclid will vouch for this example.. I bought LOGP...an oil/gas explorer. I was buying that stock in the 18p to 20p region. This was a company that was persistently loss making (still is).... the CEO awarding himself over £200k a year... it had been listed for nearly 5 years... doing effectively nothing. But I was buying over 18 months ago. I accumulated 2m shares at an average price of c20p.... eventually LOGP got drilling and they struck oil... look at the price now... c60p. If I got fixated on the directors salary and the loss making nature of the company as stegrego is doing... I wouldnt have touched it...and not sitting on £800k profit.

The same goes for MOIL which sold for nearly £90k profit this week. Euclid can vouch for that as well.

[duncandisorderly] 13/9/2012 14:11

Ignore him Pona.He's a prize pr*t.He's slated other compannies I've been on only to benefit from them later so when you think about it the more he moans the better it is.

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 14:05

The vast majority of AIM outfits lose money and directors award themselves handsome salaries. That doesnt stop me from investing in such companies and making good money for myself. If I was hell bent in keeping a grudge of salary awards for directors of loss making companies... I would have never made a profit in investing in AIM outfits.

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 14:03

So you are slagging off a company, thinking it's effectively duff.. run simply for the directors benefit... implying it's not worth buying the share.. but unable to even gauge what the valuation of the company will be in 6 to 12 months time ?

This isn't about having a crystal ball... when you buy a share.. you buy it because you think the valuation will rise.... surely you don't use your crystal ball when you decide to buy a share....you buy it because you feel it will be higher going forward.... so what is stopping you to say what the price will be of this company ?

Here's something ... put your money where your big mouth is.... £1,000 wager with you... in 6 months time I believe the share will be higher than 3.5p Mid. If you feel it's going to be lower or the same - as you imply it will be as you say the company is nothing but a vehicle for the directors pleasures.. you win £1,000 off me... If I win, you hand over £1k.

Come on.... back up your view with hard cash. Otherwise all your huff and puff is just useless angry hot air.

[stegrego] 13/9/2012 14:03

150k loss in 4 months = 450k loss

+300k BOD salaries = £750k.

4 million aint going to last long.

[stegrego] 13/9/2012 13:56

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Stegrego

so where do you think the share price will be in 6 months time

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Crystal ball is in for a service at the moment.

I dont have a clue, but this whole setup looks like a gravy train for Cleaver and a few mates.

How can anyone justifty 120k salary for such a company? he should be taking 50k max and thats being generous.

[duncandisorderly] 13/9/2012 13:56

If you have no interest Stegrego,why are you here sooooo persistently you bl*w-job

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 13:48

Answer my question first post 5732 (you failed to respond to it).

[stegrego] 13/9/2012 13:47

Directors are taking 300k out the company each year before you even start to make a profit.

[stegrego] 13/9/2012 13:47

Do you think he is worth 120k?

[p o n a] 13/9/2012 13:46

Mr angry appears on cue.