Yu Share Discussion Threads

[placingalert] 29/3/2022 10:55

Given how EBITDA neglects CapEx, Buffett does NOT believe EBITDA is a true representation of a company's financial performance.EBITDA can make unprofitable companies appear profitable since EBITDA ignores depreciation and amortization as well as interest and taxes.Now wonder YU reported 800k cash outflows

[placingalert] 29/3/2022 10:49

Warren Buffett shares some of his thoughts on EBITDA::We wont buy into companies where someone is talking about EBITDA. If you look at all companies, and split them into companies that use EBITDA as a metric and those that do not, I suspect you will find a lot more FRAUD in the former group.Yu is far worse they talk about far worse metric Adjusted Ebitda. Scary

[placingalert] 29/3/2022 10:46

Talk about RED FLAGSYU reported 800k cash outflows Burning cash means dwindling cash Sinking shipBad debt is rising Talk of managing working capital :the Board is focused on ensuring the increased level of working capital movements is managed appropriately (THIS HAPPENS WHEN CASH IS GETTING TIGHT) as we rapidly transition to a higher price environment. In particular the Board is mindful of the potential delay to our customers' ability to make payments in view of the significantly increased cost of energy which is being suffered by those who have not locked in contract tariffs at lower market prices (MEANS BAD DEBT IS RISING )

[sparky333] 29/3/2022 07:31

Thoughts on Good energy results.Key takes from me 1. Made a pre tax profit 50% less than YU2. Turnover 10m less than YU3. Loss after write downs 4. Huge cash pile 5. Pays a dividend 6. Strategic move to business as more stable and higher revenue7. Revenue to leap due to high energy prices 8. Market. Ap nearly 20m higher than YU but a large cash pile but growth significantly less than YU.Interesting to see how the market reacts today on good as YU have exploded revenue wise and profit wise and from the abpnnual report this is expected to continue and hit 500m turnover in the next few years.I personally feel the market has been rather harsh especially when compared to its peers as TEp and CNA at multi years highs

[sparky333] 29/3/2022 05:24

Annual report is out. Good read and far more detail than the RNS

[sparky333] 28/3/2022 21:06

I think YU have proved the doubters wrong at every turn.2018 issues, Covid 19, energy crisis, now warEveryone has been navigated and the company grows it's market share every day, I would be shocked if turnover isn't 225 to 250m this year and also grab more SOLR. Come back in 12 months and let's see. Good luck with your investments topvest

[topvest] 28/3/2022 19:53

Hmm - even the best companies cannot make money in today's energy market. Circa. 20 companies have gone bust already and the big players are doing very badly as well. If you think this will be the winner then fair enough, but I very much doubt it!

[sparky333] 28/3/2022 17:15

Show me any other stock growing at over 50% on all metrics, no debt, 7m in cash and the market cap is £35m The penny will drop and this will not stop going up

[topvest] 28/3/2022 16:26

PBT/Turnover - ignored the tax.

[sparky333] 28/3/2022 11:29

Market cap now down to 36m

[sparky333] 28/3/2022 09:19

Tick down coming again , most people selling now will be at or near a loss as we head to year lows

[sparky333] 27/3/2022 17:56

Where do you get 2% from ? 9.8 gross, 5.6 overheads 3.2% net margin,Big difference and as the turnover grows overheads as a percentage of turnover falls further. Could be down to 5% this year as turnover heads to 225 to 250m That gives 4.8 net margin YU have invested hard in 2021 in software and Leicester office that's why cash fell which has scaled the company ready for major expansion

[topvest] 27/3/2022 15:36

I suppose there is quite a bit of scepticism in the market that their 2% net margin is robust given that its not all converting to cash. After all, British Gas Energy only achieve 3% and Centrica Business Solutions is break-even on c10-100x the business!

[sparky333] 25/3/2022 12:45

And they keep selling. Bizarre

[sparky333] 25/3/2022 11:41

https://www.insidermedia.com/news/midlands/yue-group-boss-hails-team-after-remarkable-year

[hamidahamida] 25/3/2022 10:52

YU trading on 4X PE 2022ECompany keeps delivering above market forecasts Growing fast in a utility sector where average pe is near 30.: Testing times for LT holders when you know everything is heading in the right direction but market is for some reason not willing to mark up the share price :Investing is all about having the stomach to see it through when winds are blowing against you

[sparky333] 25/3/2022 10:04

Is selling drying up ? looks like it, not surprised as MC now under 40m which is frankly ludicrous in my eyes.

[sparky333] 24/3/2022 16:37

Interesting CNA and TEP at or near multi year highs.

[the millipede] 24/3/2022 13:32

I am not sure I care about directors buying, although I appreciate most will think differently.

In fact in some ways what might help is if BK could place some of his shares with institutions, I think overall that would improve the shareholder base.

The latest results were very impressive indeed. The growth has been really quite awesome, and the possibility of further free acquisitions as other suppliers run into difficulty is…. well even more awesome.

I get the point about cash burn vs profits but that is not the situation here. Cash has been used to make improvements to the business, which is a one off. There is no excessive cash burn at all.

Don’t really care about the share price. One day, others will get the point and I am happy to wait.

[sparky333] 24/3/2022 10:22

I do not disagree especially out side of Bk I hold more shares than the rest of the BOD combined by some margin.