Stilo Share Discussion Threads

[stilolosses] 02/1/2018 12:30

Mind you Mud the timing of Chairman topping up at 4 pence plus in October was spot on.

He has accumulated the vast majority of his 12% holding at the 2 and 3 pence level. He certainly has got the timing spot on.

Course, he only buys when the share price is low.

Remains to be seen if he will ever buy at 6 pence and 7 pence.

I doubt it as he hasn't ever bought at those prices.

[stilolosses] 01/1/2018 19:42

Course you haven't Mud. You haven't been telling any investor to buy any Stilo shares for the last 10 years or so.

I have certainly told investors to buy Stilo International shares but purely and simply on the understanding that this is going to be a long term slow progressive company which again has proven to be the case since July 2016 and a long, long time before this.

The difference is that you think and have thought for the last decade or so that the share price is about to "explode" every few months or so whereas my stance has been that it is only going to increase longterm at a slow rate.

As we all know the share price has traded around the 1 pence and 7 pence mark for the last 10 years or so and since its peak since 2000 has not been far off these figures.

No doubt you will again be telling us in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 that the share price is about to explode!

Mind you, touching on "were both illjudged and illtimed, never mind irresponsible", no doubt your stance on Stilo for nearly 10 years has been "completely well judged, well timed and utterly responsible!"

There has certainly been no "fake news" from you for near enough "10 years".

[mudbath] 01/1/2018 19:05

Whilst I an fairly certain that those who took your advice will eventually move into profit,those instructions to go in "large" were both illjudged and illtimed, never mind irresponsible.

[mudbath] 01/1/2018 18:52

StiloLosses.

I cannot remember ever telling posters here to buy.

You however posted this in July 2016 just a few days before the price of STL shares peaked.

"Whatever you own: your house, your investments, your bank account balance, your overdraft, any money lying around the house, any worldly goods, any money your can get your hands on, my advice is "PUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU OWN AND POSSESS ON STILO INTERNATIONAL"!!!!!"

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[stilolosses] 01/1/2018 18:32

I don't want to stop Mud from posting Firth. Also, I won't say that I stopped him from posting on here. Its just that there wasn't anything that he could make any meaningful news of. One thing that he has been good at doing for a number of years is creating "fake news". He has been very good at creating "fake news" and this is something that I have been happy to question.

I understand that he is excited about a reply that he got from one of Stilo's customers, Mike at IBM, which he shared on here but I think he is using this to paint a picture that is far from the truth as this is only an opinion from a "market expert". As we all know, market experts are very, very good at giving their opinions and a lot of the time those opinions tend to be way,way of the mark. I'm not saying that Mike's opinions should not be taken on board but what he says and how Stilo International continues to operate as a business are 2 completely different things.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that the size of the market is so incredibly small with only a few hundred companies using dita on any meaningful scale right across the world. Predominately, companies are based in the USA. Course, all these companies tend to have their own document teams and for years have been happy to do the work themselves and this has clearly been evident during the last 20 years. Even when AuthorBridge is ready and when it is marketed it can only be taken on by a very limited amount of potential companies due to the market size of dita being so, so small. Like I said, of all those few hundred companies have their own documentation teams who are happy to do the conversions themselves rather than spend their buck elsewhere.

One just have to look at Stilo's revenues since the company listed on the exchange back in 2000 and even though they have been the market leaders in their own field, Stilo's revenues have been around the £2 million mark not because they have missed opportunities but simply because most companies want to do all the conversion work themselves, occasionally sourcing out to the likes of Stilo, but doing the majority of the work in house. Stilo's biggest competitors are exactly those companies that operate in the dita market. The very customers that

AuthorBridge is going to be another source of revenue for Stilo when it eventually starts contributing but what is going to be EQUALLY IMPORTANT is for Stilo's others products to retain the same kind of revenue stream. No good having a 30% rise in Migrate revenues if they have a 50% fall in Omnimark revenues. As far as I can remember I cannot recall both Migrate and Omnimark having a good year together. One always rises with the other falling. Precisely, the point that I have been making for so long. Precisely the reason why revenues have remained around these levels for 20 years or so.

2018 is going to be another challenging year for Stilo, expect to see some swings. Added pressure also comes from taking on new staff as Stilo will be hoping that they will be able to raise enough additional revenue to meet this extra cost. The exchange rate, which has been favourable of recent is also going to be very important for Stilo in 2018.

Obviously Mud is not going to talk about the challenges that Stilo face going into 2018 as he would like to paint a completely rosy picture but as we all know deep down 2018 is yet again going to be another year where Stilo is going to have to try and do the "walk" and not just the "talk". Something that they just have not been able to do so far since listing on the exchange in 2000.

The last job Stilo advertised on their website was there for around 10 months and it is not uncommon to see posts not being filled up to a year after it has been advertised.

In closing, frustratingly, as I have said before, there is only so much progress Stilo can make each year in such a small dita market environment where in house teams want and insist on doing the conversion work themselves. Progress is going to be slow and progressive and nothing more.

Course, it is not the first time Mud has said "buy, buy, buy!" He has been doing the same for a number of years. Telling investors for years to buy because Omnimark has had an upgrade or an addition: telling investors to buy because the share price was about to go up; telling investors to buy because a director had bought; telling investors to buy because Migrate was launched; telling investors to buy because Stilo were recruiting; telling investors to buy because a certain partnership agreement was signed; telling investors to buy because the website was re-launched; telling investors to buy because IBM became a customer many years ago etc. etc. etc It's not the first time he has encouraged others to buy so that he can trade for his own benefit.

It certainly won't be the last!

[escapetohome] 31/12/2017 20:13

Happy New Year Mudbath and to all Stilo International shareholders!!

[mudbath] 31/12/2017 19:42

Unfortunately,escapetohome,the passage of time is now so pronounced that there is little chance of being able to chat to anyone with some recollection of the families involved,or their issue.The oldest guy on Silver Street is Arthur Plumpton,still cutting hair at 90 !He taught me to fly fish over 50 years ago and nowadays is as deaf as a post.
Happy New Year.

[escapetohome] 29/12/2017 20:13

My relative “ Lightfoot “ could possibly have a distant connection to the brewery Lightfoot, but as I understand from the 1911 census , he was just a plumber, and all the return mentions is he lived at Silver Street , but does not give the house name or number. Actually he was not born in Masham but Bradford. I will certainly do a bit of digging to see if there is any relation to the families you mention.

[mudbath] 29/12/2017 19:41

On the case escapetohome.
Theaksons Brewery(Old Peculiar-Black Sheep-Lightfoot) used to be Lightfoot's Brewery until 1919.
The Lightfoots married into the Ascough family(more than once), if that rings a bell.
You may find the LIGHTFOOTS mentioned in the Grewelthorpe Family History.
Grewelthorpe is a pleasant amble from Masham and the population of both villages have been very much intermingled over the decades.

[escapetohome] 29/12/2017 19:13

Mudbath

Not any of those but , “ Lightfoot “ 1900s , only transitory though!

[firth] 29/12/2017 17:44

My advice is to come in Spring. Its a major walking area. Park in the square. Masham is 20 mins drive north of Ripon. Its the start of the Dales.

My Son in Law was showing me his family tree going right back to AD 160. Almost 2000 years.

No 'Stilo' then!!!!!!!!!!

[escapetohome] 29/12/2017 17:20

Well ‘firth’ , i certainly hope so , if so i may go along to Masham and drop in for some fish and chips.

I do a lot of family history research and have many forebears from that area, including ancestry in silver street , masham.

I know nothing of the place and its high time i trundled along to the yorks and other areas to take photos, before i pass away.

[firth] 29/12/2017 14:10

Well 'Escapetohome' I am not so sure my son would agree with you.[he has a fish and chip restaurant and 'outsales' in Masham N. Yorks] However I take the point.

I have had a 'fair' holding in 'Stilo' for years. I am confident that' Mudbath' is right. I just do not want 'StiloLosses' stopping him posting. He has done it once before ,so I do not want history repeating its self.

Happy New Year to all.

[escapetohome] 29/12/2017 00:34

I’m just hanging on to my small holding, for as long as it takes, ill probably still have it when i die, if it doesnt double.

At the moment it has the status in my portfolio of something to add a bit of ‘ cred ‘ , a rare niche offering,like a rare wild orchid from the forests of borneo.

Quite frankly if i wanted to be rich there is always fish and chip shops.

[stilolosses] 28/12/2017 22:35

Lets hope the momentum keeps going but like always it tends to go up and after the profit takers make their few quid it then drops again.

I reckon, like normal, it will now rise until the finals are published in March and then fall back again as quicker than it went up.

[escapetohome] 28/12/2017 14:51

Nice move up again , very very welcome indeed.

[stilolosses] 27/12/2017 23:54

I decided to watch "Dragon's Den" the other day and guess what?........"You got it in one"

A man decided to sell personal greeting cards online and in 2017 he made sales of £1 million, expect to make sales of £2.5 million in 2018, and expect to make a whopping £6.5 million of sales in 2019.........He walked away with an investment from the Dragon's.


In another case 3 brothers started selling grooming products for blokes with over grown beards and in year 1 they made £392,000 sales, year 2 made £1,074,000 sales and in year £1.3 million sales with a whooping £496,000 net profit.

Dragon's were so impressed with where the business is going after only 36 months of trading figures that 4 out of 5 Dragon's tabled bids.

..........Then we have you with your "fake news stories" on Stilo.

Fact is that after nearly 20 years of trading Stilo still only generate around £1.8 million revenues with around £300,000 profits.

As all investors know, Stilo operate in a "niche market".

Stilo does not sell "personalised greeting cards or grooming products for blokes with over grown beards"........ Yet trading in a niche market area Stilo is still generating only £1.8 million revenues and £300,000 profits.

Like I have told you before and like I will continue to tell you......... It will continue to be a slow, slow, slow, slow, slow road for Stilo International.

Course, If AuthorBridge is going to take as long as I think it is going to take, Stilo may want to branch out to "personalised greeting cards and grooming products for blokes with over grown beards".

[stilolosses] 27/12/2017 23:38

To really put the icing on the cake it appears that you will stop at nothing now........

Your new strategy to get others to look at alternative investments like TERN and KIN seem really, really, really, really desperate!

I went to the Boxing Day sales and whilst I was shopping I had this picture in my mind that I would probably come across you standing outside "Costa Coffe" with a placard saying "Buy Stilo Shares......Buy Tern shares......Buy KIN shares today at a discount.... Come on in. Sale ending soon"!!!!!

I think your taking quite desperate measures now with your so called "private message me calls, your fake news stories and your desperate attempt to flog shares in companies that you have a private interest in".

Quite desperate really.

[stilolosses] 27/12/2017 23:27

Quite desperate really where you are putting out offers for others to send you "private messages" because there really is not a lot of news out there when it comes to Stilo. We would all like the company to put more news out there but, course, if there is none out there then it is "perfectly ok" for you to create "fake news". Similar to the "fake news" that you have been creating for several years.

So, if its not working you put the offer out there as you are open to "private messages". Quite desperate really if you ask me.

[stilolosses] 27/12/2017 23:19

Of course, I forgot that you exclusively own the rights to the ADVNF platform. As judge, jury and executor, no one should question your "so called wisdom and expertise" in relation to your "broken record" which you have been playing for several years.

Your record didn't work in.....wait for it......in:

2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017

There were some other artists around in:
2010
2009
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000

Looks like some of those artists too had "broken records" and left the industry altogether.

I understand you want to completely avoid the questions that I put to you the other day. I told you before you even finished reading them that you would not answer them because you know perfectly well that they are "completely relevant" and have "direct relevance bearing" for the current investment case.

You do not want to answer them because you know perfectly well that IBM were responsible for helping Stilo develop and bring about Migrate in the early days and then decided to ditch it for something that they had that was much better.

You can remember "those days" where you was telling everybody how IBM had millions and millions and millions and millions of documents that they were going to convert using Migrate. Never happened did it? IBM decided to ditch Migrate and that was the end of it. No real conversion on a serious note ever happened.

You know perfectly well the size of the market that AuthorBridge is going to be relaeased into is so, so, so, so, so, small that it is going to take years for them to make a dent. Course, that has no bearing on the current investment case.

Nothing is relevant really. I think the only thing that is relevant to the current investment case is your "broken record".

[mudbath] 24/12/2017 09:15

How about TERN?
Currently trading at 2p (BUT DON'T HANG ABOUT) for a m/c of £2million about which KiwiMonk had this to say yesterday.His references to DA(DeviceAuthority) could be replaced by AB(AuthorBridge)where the "prize" in monetary terms is similar for both companies.

"The Penny Will Drop Imminently Here.
And You won't see Double Figures For Dust.
In a couple of years time, DA will be making PBT of $22m or $17.6 net per annum.
A low 30 P/E for a hyper growth stock would give it a market value of $528m
AS Profit rises. so too will the Mk Cap.
A unicorn in the making, yes. I prefer
"A unicorn almost established"
No reason why TERN's share price won't be re-rated to a minimum of £220m mk cap.
That's near enough 100 times today's price.
That excludes INVMA and Wyld and Flexi.
I think that's a compelling case for investment.
DYOR
KM"
So much then to look forward to in 2018.
May it prove a happy and prosperous year for all.

[mudbath] 23/12/2017 21:02

Ah,more work for me;yet wait a minute, if your "questions" had even the remotest bearing on the current investment case for Stilo,then they might be worth considering.
As they do not then I will leave it you to fill in the blanks .
Good luck with that and hurry back with the answers;preferably spread over half a dozen contradictory submissions,as is your wont.
Preferably start another thread which I promise not to visit !

[stilolosses] 23/12/2017 16:51

Maybe you would like to explain to us all as to the "tremendously significant role" IBM played in helping Stilo International develop Migrate all those years back?

Maybe you would also like to share with us the reasons as to why IBM then ditched Migrate after using it on such a small scale?

Thirdly, you may like to tell us the size of the market into which AuthorBridge will be released into?

Or, as to why Migrate revenues have been so tremendously minuscule to date of Stilo's total amount each year?

........Mind you, I have a funny feeling that you are going to completely avoid these questions altogether.

[stilolosses] 23/12/2017 16:32

True, Ashman has certainly been building his stake. He has been purchasing his shares for years now.

I think he has been building his stake since 2004. Its not just of recent times that he has bought shares. He has a long history of buying Stilo shares spanning some 14 years.

Its a shame that Chief Executive Les Burnham does not follow him. Les has around 4% holding.

My understanding is he Les last traded when he sold around 2,5 million shares a couple of years ago.