Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Smith (ds) Plc LSE:SMDS London Ordinary Share GB0008220112 ORD 10P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  -19.00 -4.69% 386.50 6,997,944 16:35:21
Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price
383.00 383.40 395.60 383.30 389.50
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
General Industrials 6,043.00 368.00 38.50 10.0 5,304
Last Trade Time Trade Type Trade Size Trade Price Currency
18:28:22 O 100,000 389.12 GBX

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Smith (ds) Daily Update: Smith (ds) Plc is listed in the General Industrials sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker SMDS. The last closing price for Smith (ds) was 405.50p.
Smith (ds) Plc has a 4 week average price of 363.70p and a 12 week average price of 270.70p.
The 1 year high share price is 411.20p while the 1 year low share price is currently 244.80p.
There are currently 1,372,412,313 shares in issue and the average daily traded volume is 2,720,689 shares. The market capitalisation of Smith (ds) Plc is £5,304,373,589.75.
moorsie2: Good move for the share price medium term. Overhang cleared
fairtrader66: JP Morgan just gave SMDS a 13% upside forecast on the share price. The forecast is higher than pre-Covid. Looks like 2019-20's upside trend is continuing.
scooo: SMDS price may be trailing its competitors because it is perceived by foreign investors as being more embroiled in Brexit uncertainty. British companies are currently valued about 20% less than European competitors. Institutional holders remain discontented since the suspension of the dividend and are holding back as the price languishes. The current price discount, plus weak pound and cheap finance, could however invite the possibility of predator takeover from abroad.
redartbmud: Is the Smds share price being manipulated by algos set up by the shorters?
fairtrader66: Moorsie Again, you raise good points but I would like to highlight the following: - Economies of scale assist SMDS's competitors' ROCE on a relative basis - Comparing SMDS April 2020 year end results with Smurfitt's December 2019 results isn't useful as end April was slap in the middle of massive covid impact. I believe the ROCE would have increased in latest results if Covid hadn't happened (and did if you include the discontinued operations) - Mondi is in a class of its own - SMDS is a stable and decent return and currently undervalued - SMDS might be able pivot a little more easily in times of change - SMDS sold the plastics business just before Covid hit creating good liquidity with the background of an already decent gearing profile (major debt repayments '23 onwards) - SMDS profit margin from continuing operations before and after IT actually increased YOY (as per I&E) WITH Covid hit whilst Smurfitt decreased YOY without covid hit Again, I agree with what you're saying on direction of travel but I think a flexible and successful programme is already underway. Pressure from shareholders is good but there is a decent plan (and action) in place. AND these shares are undervalued. I'm looking forward to the December H1 results and not September Q1 results btw.
cousin jack: SMDS share price since start of year is down by almost double the fall in rivals. I can't see a good reason for the difference, particularly as market indications are that product demand is not being unduly affected by Covid. Possibly the dividend cancellation has led to selling by holders who were holding as part of an income portfolio. Taking a medium term view I think it's reasonable to assume demand will not greatly change and the dividend will at some point be restored. I've been adding on recent down days but the chart indicates that there could be a decent move up soon.
erogenous jones: Lyndon B, the company is in a rut. The share price for the last year has been rangebound from 310p to 360p. If we ignore the reaction from 23 Feb to 23 March as the share price behaved in exactly the same way as about 99% other businesses as it fell in response to Covid 19 and then further ignore the recovery over the following month, I think that we are still range bound, only that the range boundaries have been dropped by 10p Pretty sure that the share price will hold 300p, but whether it holds it tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday is quite another matter. If it does not hold it, then perhaps we are back towards the recent all time low. I think it unlikely, but if it does, then perhaps the range will be 260p to 310p. Still think that the strategic mistake was in the cancellation of the dividend. Would not be surprised if the terms for a couple of p45's are being discussed
jeffian: #3447, I really, really hope that they don't go down the share buyback route. Yes, I understand the argument about less shares in circulation boosting NAV and earnings per share but, time and again, that doesn't get reflected in the share price. You can't dictate to Mr. Market. The worst example recently was Whitbread which, having sold its Costa Coffee business 'returned' £2.5bn(!) to shareholders via buyback - equivalent to about £12/share I think - and the share price has slumped from £45-odd to £23. As a buy-and-hold investor, I like dividends. They give a reason to hold on to the shares and ignore short term fluctuations in the share price.
moorsie2: FINANCIAL ANALYSTS: DS Smith - Reiterating Buy rating as earnings are still growing despite challenging market [VRP] NEW YORK, 6 December 2019 (Viewpoint) - excerpt from Vertical Research Partners Continued EPS Growth Should Drive Share Price Appreciation – On Thursday morning, DS Smith released its first-half fiscal 2020 (for the fiscal year ending on April 30th 2020) financial results. EPS was slightly lower than expected, but still grew by 4.6% y/y (when including the Plastics business that is now classified under discontinued operations) despite a challenging environment. SMDS has been consistently growing its adjusted EPS on an annual basis for almost a decade now, even during cyclical downturns in the European containerboard market. It has achieved this growth by utilizing its underlevered balance sheet and achieving strong corrugated box volume growth. While we do expect F2H20 EPS to come in marginally below the F1H19 level, this is primarily due to the sale of the Plastics division (which should be completed by calendar year-end), without which our EPS estimate would point to marginal growth y/y. Furthermore, we project SMDS’ streak of full-fiscal year adjusted EPS growth will continue unabated. More specifically, we project F2020, F2021, and F2022 EPS growth of 1.8%, 1.9%, and 6.7%, respectively. While these numbers are not groundbreaking, they compare positively to our projections for the other four containerboard names we cover – all of which are expected to experience varying degrees of earnings pressure during calendar 2019 and 2020. As such, we remain confident that SMDS’ stock should move higher as investors appreciate the company’s earnings resilience and the global containerboard market improves. Results Slightly Below Expectations… – SMDS reported F1H20 adjusted EPS from continuing operations of £0.17 vs our headline £0.18 estimate, but the actual delta is quite smaller. More specifically, SMDS’ adjusted EPS from continuing operations was 17.3p vs our 17.6p estimate, while our 18.0p “all in” estimate including the earnings contribution of the Plastics division compares to SMDS’ 17.8p. (Note that this small miss vs our estimate is smaller when including Plastics as we previously assumed the sale would have been completed in August while the business ended up contributing for the full half-year period). Operating profitability was actually in-line. Adjusted EBITA (not EBITDA, but EBITA) was £251 million vs our £246 million estimate, driven by lower depreciation. The company’s EBITDA of £498 million was £5 million below our £503 million estimate. EBITA in North America was well below our estimate. Due to re-segmenting, we have no clear picture as to which European segments (which are now three vs four previously) missed/topped our forecasts. However, we believe that SMDS missed us in Northern Europe (along with North America), with results in Western Europe and Eastern Europe were better than expected. We believe the North American softness was due mainly to SMDS’s export exposure. … With Significant Benefits from its Short Board Position – Revenues of £3.188 billion were 1% below our estimate, and just £115 million above their year-ago level despite a £297 million top-line contribution from Europac. Said differently, like-for-like revenues would have declined by 6%. The top-line pressure was driven by (1) lower pricing and volumes for open market board and recyclable products sales and (2) slightly lower box pricing, partially offset by a 0.7% growth in corrugated box volumes (which was less than half our assumed growth rate). Offsetting this top-line pressure were stronger margins. SMDS’ EBITDA margin of 15.6% was 280bps above its year-ago level and in line with our estimate. This sharp margin expansion was driven by the Europac acquisition (which was a structurally-higher margin business) and lower input costs, including externally purchased containerboard and OCC. In the company’s EBITA bridge, pricing was a ~£130 million headwind, offset by £130 million in lower costs. But when it comes to the bottom-line, much of the pricing headwind which was attributed to lower board and recycled fiber prices was offset by the company short board position – as these two items are interlinked. As a reminder, SMDS should be ~85% backwards integrated (meaning it relies on purchased board for 15% of its fiber needs). Hence, all else being equal, lower board prices are actually a net positive for SMDS. (Of course, normally a material change in board prices would lead to a similar change in box prices – which ultimately drive SMDS’s profits – and in a scenario where box/board prices move in lockstep an inflationary environment is better for SMDS). These benefits were also evidenced on the segment performance. The short-board Southern Europe and Eastern Europe divisions experienced margin expansion y/y, while the long-board Northern Europe division saw a 230bps margin contraction. In the US, were the company is ~60% forward integrated (i.e., it sells around 40% of its board externally), margins shrank by 740bps due to the decline in export pricing. Box Prices Holding Up – We understand that during 1H20 SMDS experienced a ~2% price decline, consistent with our assumptions. Overall pricing was a 4.5% headwind to revenues, but according to management ~£80 million of the £101 million headwind was due to lower paper and recycled fiber prices. Going forward, prices should decline further reflecting the continuously declining containerboard prices. As we wrote in our October 10th report (here), we assume ~5% box price erosion from the late-2018 peak in Europe. Despite containerboard prices continuing to decline, we have not changed this assumption yet. We note that the topline price pressure for SMDS however will be more significant due to lower pricing for other products, such as containerboard. Slightly Trimming Estimates – We are slightly lowering our earning’s estimates for SMDS, primarily reflecting lower organic volume growth and lower board/recycled fiber pricing and sales volumes (which also translates into more modest revenue contribution from Europac). Our F2020 EBITDA estimate is reduced by £26 million, to £990 million, with £21 million of this reduction coming in the back-half of F2020. Our F2020 EPS forecast remains at £0.35. Note that with the re-segmenting of the company’s divisions, the segment comparability vs our prior set of estimates is limited. However, we did lower materially our earnings forecast for North America, and believe that Northern Europe is also doing worse than expected – while Western Europe is seeing a larger-than-expected benefit from positive price/cost (with lower input costs for OCC and purchased containerboard not fully flowing through box prices). We expect conditions for the North America business to improve with higher volumes as the new box plant in Lebanon, IN ramps up and as the export market recovers. That, along with additional synergies from the Europac acquisition, should drive modest earning’s upside for F2021 (which starts in less than five months). Our F2021 and F2022 EBITDA estimates are lower by ~1% each, to £1.007 billion and £1.057 billion, respectively. Our F2021 EPS is lowered by one pence, to £0.35, although it is still almost 2% higher than our F2020 forecast. Our F2022 adjusted EPS estimate remains unchanged at £0.38. Chip Dillon, Vertical Research Partners
moorsie2: 97Peter - I am sorry but uk politics is virtually irrelevant for SMDS share price! Very little of their revenue and profits are from operations in uk and of those revenues the sensitivities to domestic politics are very very marginal. Misleading and or misinformed posts are dangerous for amateur investors!
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