Scancell Share Discussion Threads

[oldnotwise] 14/3/2018 08:33

Gazza
Or maybe the investor limits the amount invested in the Higher risk stocks to accomodate his/her investment risk acceptance?...
I'm scratching my head trying to think of an equity that carries no Investment Risk... No, can't think of one with a share price lower than the target valuation....
:-)
AIMO
ATB

[gazza] 14/3/2018 08:26

Old, precisely. We invest in high(er) risk stock for higher rewards. If those rewards turn out to be average we may as well have invested in low(er) risk stocks and slept better at night!

[oldnotwise] 14/3/2018 08:22

Fulham
The reason many are/were significantly under water in this share was because they invested in order to achieve a set of targets which were unrealistic at the time (up to £12p/share).
Since the share price got to 64p they accrued (in some cases actual) losses - some were not able to invest for the longer term, so the level of the expected return dictated the Risk that they took into their portfolio.
As a result some who actually realised losses took a cash hit rather than merely suffering disappointment.
ATB

[oldnotwise] 14/3/2018 08:14

I do hate this cut and paste stuff normally but:
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Definition: Investment risk can be defined as the probability or likelihood of occurrence of losses relative to the expected return on any particular investment. Description: Stating simply, it is a measure of the level of uncertainty of achieving the returns as per the expectations of the investor.
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Hence any investment made to achieve an arbitary value higher than the current share price caiies RISK.
ATB

[fulham1305] 14/3/2018 08:12

Oldnotwise agreed but i would say a 500% return rather than a 5000% return is disappointing rather than a disaster

[terror] 14/3/2018 08:07

The MFF lost all its credibility when it started mass banning of posters with a contra view to the incumbents.

Such a terrible business model, turning away customers to appease the low morality of 24 hour posters intent on ramping at any cost.

They deserve to be down for a long time.

[oldnotwise] 14/3/2018 08:07

Fulham
If the value of a company is x p / share, and investors are attracted to buy that company's share in order to realise that valuation, then failure to achieve the stated value is indeed an Investment Risk (because the investor expects to realise that value).
AIMO
ATB

[fulham1305] 14/3/2018 07:56

Gazza . very valid points. but is that really a risk. its more of a disappointment. Whilst we own the IP we do however hold some cards though we obviously lack cash, infrastructure and so forth. Whilst Moditope is seen as a land grab, new market and so forth, feeling optimistic on how far we can take this plus immunobody with both Cancer Research projects (assuming we win the challenge of course) we are not exactly in a bad place.

[gazza] 14/3/2018 07:51

Have to agree with Fulham. Time to draw a line and stop the constant point scoring. I think we all get it. The old excuse of protecting the unwary and gullible just don't wash anymore. If you believe you are doing a public service, your not! It's just boring now.

[gazza] 14/3/2018 07:45

Inanaco, good post earlier, some interesting and thought provoking points raised. The share price question is also interesting. There is a difference between the future potential value, what someone is prepared to pay and the volume they are able to buy. For example, I may value the co at £1.80 but only have funds to buy 1000 shares. This will not move the share price to £1.80. Roche may value the co at £1.80 and have the funds to buy 100%. They may only be prepared to pay 90p. Undoubtedly, the POTENTIAL value of SCLP is perhaps more than £1.80, maybe even £6 but I have to consider will I get this as a PI? Possibly not. If a bid came in at 90p a share, we as pis will have no say, believe me, I've seen it before with biotechs. This, for me, is the biggest risk as an investor. Not that the drug will fail, not that we won't get funding but they we won't personally get full value.

[fulham1305] 14/3/2018 07:33

Tosh what is your problem. If some of us on here do not need the Scancell money to live off because we are doing very nicely else where and don't use the stock market to live off when are you going to understand that several of us PIs have several hundred thousand shares and if this comes off we will not have to work again and if doesn't we are where we are today we just get on with it. . All mine are safely tucked away in ISAs So if takes a few more years to make the millions for me with all the ups and downs that come with that I will and can ride it just like most of the other PIs. And and thats life. Jealousy springs to mind. Just chill and go with the flow, and be amazed at what a small British Bio are achieving and be proud about what they are doing. None of us can do what they have done,

[tosh 123] 14/3/2018 07:29

Ineptico,
The bulk of the damage to your wealth, that you have mentioned a few times now, will have come via your ROC ( Return on Capital ) which must be an absolutely horrendously large "negative number".
If, as you were advised at the time, you would not have invested so heavily at 47p and thereabouts, all those years ago, then your returns would be in the positive, rather than your current negative, thus comes the damage to your wealth ( so as you can see, nothing to do with me ).
Hopefully, over the coming few months / years, you will be able to claw back some or all of your losses, and thereby gradually readdress your damaged wealth situation that you have spoken about.

[tosh 123] 14/3/2018 07:06

Morning Captain Chaos,
what lies and fairy tales have you got in store for us today.

Shame about your damaged wealth , but hey, I did warn you many years ago, you just wouldn't listen.

[chelsea35] 14/3/2018 05:15

Damn LSE, can"t remember a day when all functions were working as they should be. They are certainly having their issues and relaxing strict rules, a steady stream of users must be leaving as you can tell by quantities of share chats shared daily.

Some fantastic volumes showing up every day, all on no intraday news, another tree shake employed yesterday, buys just soaking up sells.

Thoroughly enjoying posting with roses as a co pilot, it is fascinating watching level 2 during this time. Enjoy your day here, a nice big blue day beckons, i think it is sinking...............watch out for the treeshakes!!!

ATB
C7

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 23:21

LSE not working so i posted it here

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 18:36

Will you be my Spell checker .. ? thanks loz

found a use for you after all ..

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 18:07

suggest you learn to read.

find the actually line that states

My wealth is damaged ?

[tosh 123] 13/3/2018 18:00

Ineptico... but you've admitted that you have got damaged wealth, because you accused me of damaging it.

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 17:58

"Caps blazing" comes out again ......... I tag Fragma ...

catch you later loz ..

[the real lozan] 13/3/2018 17:55

A reminder... and REASON for trHYPERS to 'swamp' this forum =
The NEED for the trHYPER 'Night Shift' -
As some predicted a LULL in 'newsflow' might have an effect
Maybe the trHYPERS - like the WISER, more ASTUTE - have { Though doubtful} an 'eye' on the "Cash-in-hand' situation ???
IF nothing is done soon about this... by the time *WE ALL* get to the days the ridiculous "£6 a share" was CLAIMED... the 'Cash-in-hand' will sit at 'not-much-over' £1 million.
The problem the trHYPERS have is = They insist on 'branding' any Alternative Views / strategy - as "negative".
When, in truth, the Alternative Views / stratagy, mainly represent = the REALITY

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 17:51

as i have "undamaged assets" you should stop kidding yourself

[tosh 123] 13/3/2018 17:50

please stop it... tears are rolling down my cheeks.

Enough for today, otherwise I will damage your wealth even more , and you cant afford that after the 5 years that you've just had !

brilliant, classic all time comedy with lies a plenty and the odd fairy tale chucked in for good measure.

[inanaco] 13/3/2018 17:46

Tosh is caught in the ropes ... tangled ..

stay tuned ..