Proton Motor Power Systems Share Discussion Threads

[spec12] 11/10/2009 14:56

Looks like a bit of competition with some good news (CAP)

[afrorich] 09/10/2009 12:36

I was under the impression that these busses would be provided to Proton. These would then get converted to fuel cell.

Testing busses are diferent and I think ehat you are alluding to, they would be very expensive.

For larger order they would get these fuel cells made by DM. They could then be fitted into the bus,forklift, ship. Most engines run in number of hours and the same with Fuel cell. They need hydrogen to run so they need to be at a source of supply just like gas

hope thsi helps

afro

[spec12] 09/10/2009 12:24

afro ...back to your other point. So the vehicle manufacturers will have to build a bus etc to run on their Fuel Cell pack.

I used to be in TAN and one of the (many) major hurdles facing that apart from logistics and re-charging is the cost of the vehicles. Clients would havw to stump up 50% more for a new vehicle. Whilst payback was estimated in 3-4 years in the current financial climate nobody has the appetite.

What's the initial vehicle cost mark up / payback period for buyers compared to Diesel etc.

Thanks in advance

[afrorich] 09/10/2009 12:23

will chase up

thanks

[spec12] 09/10/2009 12:19

Afro ...It's from the other thread and one of the forst 10 posts ...

Proton Power Systems: 'London attractive for fuel cell development'
23 October 2006

Author:
Provider: Adfero



London's green initiatives have made it an attractive testing and development ground for fuel cell technology, one fuel cell developer has said.

According to Proton Power Systems' chief executive Felix Heidelberg, the UK's capital has become "an attractive market" thanks to its commitment to fuel cell development, the Guardian reports.

The German fuel cell company is currently in talks with a UK bus manufacturer over plans to design and build more fuel cell-powered buses, following trials of the technology on the London bus network.

Transport for London is currently taking part in trials of fuel cell buses as part of the mayor of London's Transport and Air Quality strategy, which aims to reduce air and noise pollution in the transport network.

Current trials of the buses are taking place in conjunction with similar schemes in nine other European cities, bringing together bus manufacturers, fuel cell technology researchers and technology companies.

[afrorich] 09/10/2009 11:34

hi

the fuel cell is rechargeable in seconds as apposed to batteries which takes about 8 hours and is low on hear emissions.

These fuel cells are built in 10 kw units and can be built to 250 KW if required and more.

The cost of these units is not for public eyes unfortunately They bulid these units at Duetse Mechatronics- sub contractor (sorry for spelling ) when ordered in bulk and for one off test which are very expensive they are built on site.

They dont build busses or ships forklifts, they meerely provide the fuel cell unit.

hope this helps

In germany their is legislation that certain areas cannot use diesel, which makes these fuel cell units a ready alternative.

fule cells are silent, give low heat emmisions and can be recharged in seconds, which may be ideal for the military. (L3 communications)

afro

[afrorich] 09/10/2009 11:30

could you provide me with the link to that article

much appreciated

[spec12] 09/10/2009 10:37

Did anything furtehr come from this

Oct 2006 ...

"The German fuel cell company is currently in talks with a UK bus manufacturer over plans to design and build more fuel cell-powered buses, following trials of the technology on the London bus network.

Transport for London is currently taking part in trials of fuel cell buses as part of the mayor of London's Transport and Air Quality strategy, which aims to reduce air and noise pollution in the transport network."

[afrorich] 08/10/2009 16:21

i am happy with these little increments each day.

With a bit onews regarding L3 communications or an update after the board meeting this should continue its rise.

one to tuck away.

[21simthy] 08/10/2009 11:24

I often wondered about the old "1 share" trades you occasionly see
in penny stocks, there used to myths about them being hidden codes
etc etc :-))

Volume too low today, a few small nibbles at 7.9p but nothing to
tempt a mm to close the spread and raise the bid.

[afrorich] 08/10/2009 10:43

i will hopefully have conversion figures soon.




PPS have differnent revenue streams ready to roll out

large power systme packages to OEM starting and ready to deploy Q3

Auxialliary power units

cleantech solutions

and they have buses, tractors and ships ready to be deploiyed.

recenlty introduced a triople hybrid system in germany

Controls are more stringent in Germany with regards to Diesel engines not being allowed in certain areas. Hopefull PPS can benfit grom such legislation.

The linkup to L3 was instigated by L3 after seeing what PPS can offer. They are massive and are linked with the Army and navy (check out their site)

This one is a medium to long term play. Not one for day trading. realtivley liquid share. Well funded from Roundhouse.

They ahve aboard meetimng in 2 weeks and hoping to get an update after that.

They have a few things in fire but nothing concrete as yet.

nice to see a bit more action on this BB

DYOR

[afrorich] 08/10/2009 10:42

buys coming in at just below full ask at 7.90

[afrorich] 08/10/2009 08:37

ask has just moved to 8

steady strem of buying from yesterday and today

[afrorich] 08/10/2009 08:27

move up again this morning

[afrorich] 07/10/2009 18:06

let see what tomorrow brings

run up to board meeting in two weeks and hopefully soemthing from there to report.

[kitchens] 07/10/2009 17:48

Wayhaaa im in this aswell 21s happy days

[21simthy] 07/10/2009 16:19

Have been all day afro, on plus there's a couple !

mm's dont seem to be interested in giving it a push since the
rush this morning.

Still 2 v 2

[afrorich] 07/10/2009 16:16

we are now getting trades at full ask of 7.50

[spec12] 07/10/2009 16:08

ibs7491 ... Not exactly.

[21simthy] 07/10/2009 12:33

400k volume on plus is very good.

Online limits to buy have been stopped again hence a few phone
buys of NMS of 20k have appeared at 7.5p.

7.15p bid for 37.5k online...L2 is 2 v 2.

[afrorich] 07/10/2009 11:37

PPS have differnent revenue streams ready to roll out

large power systme packages to OEM starting and ready to deploy Q3

Auxialliary power units

cleantech solutions

and they have buses, tractors and ships ready to be deploiyed.

recenlty introduced a triople hybrid system in germany

Controls are more stringent in Germany with regards to Diesel engines not being allowed in certain areas. Hopefull PPS can benfit grom such legislation.

The linkup to L3 was instigated by L3 after seeing what PPS can offer. They are massive and are linked with the Army and navy (check out their site)

This one is a medium to long term play. Not one for day trading. realtivley liquid share. Well funded from Roundhouse.

They ahve aboard meetimng in 2 weeks and hoping to get an update after that.

They have a few things in fire but nothing concrete as yet.

nice to see a bit more action on this BB

DYOR

[ibs7491] 07/10/2009 10:25

spec12,did you find out answers for set up costs for customers? post 85...tia

[spec12] 07/10/2009 09:42

Just bought 40,000 @ 7.25