Pantheon Share Discussion Threads

[rambutan2] 30/10/2017 18:53

And just realised that it will be neck and neck between PIN and HVPE as to who will be higher in the ftse. A bit of healthy competition between the two might drive some extra shareholder friendly measures.

[rambutan2] 30/10/2017 18:31

All got passed at today's GM, so on wed PIN's mkt cap will grow by approx £400m to tip it just over the magic £1bn - ftse 250 entry will follow:

Redemption of Redeemable Shares and Issue of ALN

On 31 October 2017, in accordance with the terms of the ALN and as further described in the Circular, the Company will redeem 9,055,100 Redeemable Shares from the Investor at a price of 2,208.7p per Redeemable Share (being the NAV per share as at 30 September 2017 (the Valuation Date for the purposes of the ALN)), amounting to GBP200 million in aggregate (the "Redemption Proceeds").

The Redemption Proceeds will be applied in full to the subscription for the ALN which will have an initial principal value of GBP200 million. The balance of the Investor's holding of Redeemable Shares will convert into Ordinary Shares on a one for one basis as part of the Consolidation.

Admission

Application has been made for 21,242,434 New Ordinary Shares arising on conversion of the Redeemable Shares to be admitted to the premium segment of the Official List of the FCA and to trading on the London Stock Exchange's Main Market for listed securities. Admission is expected to take place at 8.00 a.m. on 1 November 2017.

Following Admission, the Company will have a total of 54,304,447 Ordinary Shares in issue, each carrying one voting right.

[vacendak] 10/10/2017 14:15

I had a "cunning plan" to invest in PINR shares in a SIPP I intend to open in January, buying at a discount and hoping for either a redemption call before I retired, or something like what has just been announced. Oh well... standard PIN it shall be then.

[rambutan2] 06/10/2017 18:46

All the info/docs on the share consolidation:

[rambutan2] 28/9/2017 09:50

Yes, agree. Have been waiting a long time for this, and the structure would appear to be a positive as it reduces the long tail exposure.

[tiltonboy] 28/9/2017 07:11

Fantastic news for PINR holders.

[rambutan2] 08/8/2017 11:53

Nav up 17%, share price up 40% and great cash generation. Another good year (11mths) for PIN/R:

[skyship] 25/7/2017 11:30

Really not sure what to make of PIN's recent share price performance. They've certainly gone off the boil and now at 1760p are on one of the highest discounts in the sector - back up to 19.6%.

Of course they've come a long, long way since just 16months ago when down at 1200p, so a period of consolidation could be considered healthy.

So though tempted by the relative value, I reckon I'll wait awhile:

[rambutan2] 12/7/2017 12:35

Yes, a good month, and a good year. Note that this is the Y/e, an 11 mth one, as was previously end June.

[mad foetus] 12/7/2017 07:48

Pantheon International Plc ("PIP") announces an unaudited net asset value ("NAV") per share at 31(st) May 2017 of 2,189.9p, an increase of 85.4p (4.1%) from the NAV per share as at 30(th) April 2017. Valuation gains (69.4p, 3.3%), investment income (3.7p, 0.2%) and foreign exchange movements (15.1p, 0.7%) were partly offset by expenses and taxes*(-2.8p, -0.1%).Nice to see it driven by valuation gains.

[mad foetus] 10/3/2017 10:52

With sterling weakness the NAV should be up another 4% at the moment, widening the discount once more.

[vacendak] 13/2/2017 10:26

British Empire (BTEM) has exited its position in PINR.
Nothing sinister, they just do not see the discount narrowing in a significant way anytime soon. BTEM has enjoyed the ride though as they acknowledge in their latest factsheet:

"We added to existing positions in Jardine Strategic, Tetragon, Fondul Proprietatea, and Riverstone Energy, and sold out of Mitsui Fudosan, Ecofin Global, and Pantheon Redeemables entirely. Our holding in these Pantheon shares was first acquired on a 45% discount in 2011 and added to over the years for an eventual IRR of 18%. We still think the discount is overly wide and like the prospects for the portfolio, but prefer to focus our investments in the listed private equity sector on funds with greater concentration and visibility on the underlying holdings.

[mad foetus] 12/1/2017 08:08

Stifel have upgraded today with a new target price of 1865 (up from 1540). I think currency changes will add at least 50p to the last published NAV.

[rambutan2] 04/1/2017 01:33

cordwainer, here you go...

[cordwainer] 03/1/2017 22:56

PE thread, where is that ?
had remarkably lucky break with PIN, buying in on 27 June 2016 because of massive 30% discount at the time.
huge beast of a fund though, and I've no idea how to judge this type of fund other than maybe it's NAV acts like a global p.e. tracker since its a fairly diverse £billion or so, or why there is such disparity of discount / premium among other p.e. funds.

[skyship] 21/12/2016 08:51

Hope to find the time to post my NAV Table on the PE thread today, though perhaps will wait for the weekend. Agreed, discounts are closing in across the board. One standout is HGT, now at 1515p on just a 3.9% discount to the 1577p NAV!

[mad foetus] 21/12/2016 08:25

My point exactly tilts, I think managers are having to think about how long they can get away with quoting an NAV that is very conservative. After all, if the NAV is 30-35% below true value, and the share price is 20% below the NAV then anyone can come along and make a bid of 25% above the share price and it will stand a chance of succeeding.

[tiltonboy] 21/12/2016 07:59

JPEL/ELTA sold Innovia yesterday, resulting in a 32% uplift!

[mad foetus] 21/12/2016 07:51

Valuation gain of 1.8% last month. Overall a loss because of currency movements but with sterling back at 1.23/1.24 that will have been reversed in December. I'm not sure whether the SVI takeover has affected things but NAV valuations in the PE sector seem to have become a little less conservative in recent months.

[skyship] 21/11/2016 09:58

Yes, surprisingly dramatic NAV increase of 115.5p (5.9%) - mostly from forex (5.5%) so will have partially unravelled since; but nevertheless, for the moment the discount is back above the 20% threshold - 1640p = 21.5%:

[hpcg] 21/11/2016 09:06

Nice update. Still boring, still a big discount. Getting back more than it puts in as well.

[vacendak] 30/10/2016 13:42

Sorry, I had forgotten the "promise to buy" bit; that was indeed crafty.
Greed exploitation at its best, like a forced underwritting of shares not yet placed.

Interesting stock to enter at some point indeed. The only annoying bit is the no-dividend policy, but it does have its silver-lining too when it comes to absolute growth and the nature of the PE business.

By the way, get an upvote for post #195.

[rambutan2] 30/10/2016 02:24

vacendak, yes cash drag was a partic issue for PIN during its earlier years as it only invested in secondaries, the availability of which were much more bumpy back then. This made an overcommitment policy impossible and a need to hold cash to buy secondaries if/when they became available. PLNs were the boards answer to this, allowing PIN to become fully invested ie no cash drag, but pull down the PLNs when investment opps became available. Some large insurance cos were happy to oblige. However, after a few years it emerged that PLNs had tax issues and so they got converted into PINRs. By now PIN was heavily investing into primary funds using an overcommitment policy, while the PINRs were used for any secondary opps. By 2008, as with the rest of the sector, the level of overcommitment was too heroic for choppy conditions. Oh dear me, and value destruction aplenty ensued - yes take a bow 3i, SVG and Candover - and the sector ruined its reputation. However, clever/lucky PIN had a big chunk of PINR facility undrawn. Despite "unhappiness" the insurance cos weren't able to duck out of their obligations, although they did get the 2 x £50m drawdowns in loan notes rather than PINR. However, in 2011 when the facility was wound up, these loan notes were converted back into PINR. Well done to the board!

After all that excitement, PIN went back to a much more conservative investment policy, concentrating on secondaries (now a much more liquid mkt) and no overcommitment. And then more recently its also been doing directs.

I know that the possibility of converting the PINR into PIN has been looked at in the past by the board, but clearly nothing came of it for whatever reason. But that doesn't mean that some sort of corporate action won't happen at some stage and the extra discount to PIN be wiped out. I switched from PIN into PINR a while ago and are happy to sit and wait.

[vacendak] 29/10/2016 20:43

@MF, @ Rambutan

Thanks for the info. Reading the older posts, this thread is very civilised indeed. :)
I hold a bit of LLOY but stay clear of the discussions over there as everything but Lloyds seems to be discussed.

The PIN website would be more helpful if they kept an archive of their prospectus or at least a document clearly identifying the way things work. Having to guess to look at news from 1999 to understand said structure is not right.

I have read the history of the Participating Loan Notes and the subsequent "redeemables", very instructive.
From what I understand, the PLNs story was because they had too much cash sitting around and the redeemables because, well... 2007-08 happened.

I now also get the meaning of the term redeemable, for some reason I was fixating on redeeming on the investor side, like exercising a warrant, not Pantheon's decision to propose a redemption.

I agree with the earlier comments on the PINR shares. The best deal seems to be for those planning on holding them long term. I am the kind of person who holds ZDPs (and the likes) to redemption, so I would not mind entering PIN with PINR shares. From the history of the trust they might come up with some new fancy vehicles to transfer/convert the redeemables as years go by anyway.

Assuming that Pantheon Ventures (www.pantheon.com) is the same company as Pantheon International Participations Plc. I seem to already have "some of it" via FRCL. I have only recently put a toe in the waters of PE with FPEO, happy so far. Just keeping a look on PIN, which looks good for those already holding, but knowing my luck things could go wrong soon enough if I enter on the way-up like that.
Maybe I should wait for Sterling to settle down a bit, because this is certainly pushing things up on mostly everything in my portfolio at the moment.

[rambutan2] 29/10/2016 02:33

vacendak, for the whole PINR story go to the last link below (Dec 99) and work your way up. There are a few twists of fate in the tale, but ultimately PINR saved shareholders from a hit in 2009/10, albeit at the cost of the institutions (as far as i remember a v few big insurance cos, able to treat them in their books as non equity instruments) who were reluctantly issued with the last tranche and at nav value, when the shares themselves were trading at a huge discount.