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[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 18:24

Another good document albeit from DEMG, which is very well referenced. Surely the pattern must be coming clear now...

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 18:19

Here is one. I think there is another more recent one which I will try to find. Seeing a pattern yet....

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 18:14

Ha ha well there is a comparative study actually done ironically I think at St Thomas' Hospital. I will dig out the results.

And isn't it strange that just about all the trials done with ODM show statistically significant results yet you guys can't find one where LID's monitor does including all the ones I highlighted. Funny that....and you just slag off the messenger. It is up to you guys to show data that proves the Lidco monitor works. Gon on it can't be that difficult...ODM has been proved to work time and time again!

[sabre6] 08/4/2020 18:09

Nobby I did not think you was joking I thought you was wrong and still do!No where has it been compared with any other monitors.

[t0pgrader] 08/4/2020 17:44

Nobby - come up with the results of a side by side scientific trial that tests the efficacy of different monitors in identical clinical conditions and then let's analyse relative performance. In the meantime you're wasting your time and embarrassing yourself.

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 17:34

Of course actually it is always difficult to prove a negative. It is really up to you to show me a RCT where the Lido monitor was proved to work in surgery. I am sure you will have done your research properly and will have such a reference to hand.

Oh and I have a few other studies up my sleeve which I will search out....

[t0pgrader] 08/4/2020 17:05

Nobby

Your paraphrasing of the study's findings are grossly disingenuous in that you imply the issue was Lidco's monitor rather than the trial itself. There is no mention of the monitor as a variable impacting the trial's outcome. Conversely, the fact that they chose Lidco for the trial is testament to the perceived quality of the product.

Better luck next time you loser.


Try Br. J Anaes (2015) 115(4):578-579 which concluded that the Lidco monitor showed no benefit in elective bowel surgery.

[sabre6] 08/4/2020 16:06

nobby
Just read report and says outcome unclear.
Please list other tests/studies you refer to.

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 15:26

Now I suspect that may shock a few people around here who have followed the self professed guru of this parish but sadly he deals in libellous statements and not published facts!

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 15:13

You see I deal in referenced facts from peer reviewed journals not libellous comments based on heresay like certain other people I could mention!

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 15:10

Try Br. J Anaes (2015) 115(4):578-579 which concluded that the Lidco monitor showed no benefit in elective bowel surgery.




I could quote a number of others if you really want me to...there are at least 8 other studies which show no benefit of the Lidco monitor in surgery.

[nobbygnome] 08/4/2020 15:01

I will dig out the RCTs which show that.....

[devonlad] 08/4/2020 14:09

Yes, please share as if you don't have proof, that is seriously libelous. All for a two way chat and enjoying the debate but keep it real please guys. I'm fairly sure both businesses will be very busy at this sad time.

[sabre6] 08/4/2020 11:41

Nobby
Where is the proof that these machines do not work?

[buywell3] 08/4/2020 02:04

OK let us take a look at the LiDCOplus Hemodynamic Monitor

Yes let us have a look at that minimally invasive device , the Deltex ODM probe device is also classed as minimally invasive.

The LiDCOplus Hemodynamic Monitor has been clinically tested on mechanically ventilated patients.

"We assessed 6,929 consecutive patients from 2003 to 2006 within a surgical intensive care unit of a university hospital, identifying 237 mechanically ventilated patients with shock."


Patients that are sedated and where the mechanical ventilator oxygen delivery tube has been intubated in the patients esophagus and sealed just above the lungs with a balloon/cuff to effect a seal.

These were the findings of the trial:

"Treatment of patients using the LiDCOplus monitor significantly reduced the observed mortality rate to 13% against 32% and 20% in the invasively monitored and 37% in the unmonitored patient groups"


Remember the invasively monitored group was PAC the old gold standard (Pulmanory Artery Catheter) and is still being used in many NHS Hospitals today that have not been able to afford to buy more modern Hemodynamic Monitors like LiDCOplus.

The results showed that LiDCOplus use on mechanically ventilated patients in a ICU setting gave significant decreases in mortality when measured against the invasive PAC of 7% to 19%

and

The results showed that LiDCOplus use on mechanically ventilated patients in a ICU setting gave significant decreases in mortality when measured against the unmonitored patient group of 24%.


CONCLUSIONS of the clinical study were:


''This study supports an association between the use of APCO monitoring and reduction in mortality in shock compared with traditional methods of monitoring. Although it is impossible to exclude the role of unrecognized/unrecorded differences among the groups, these findings may result from differences in supportive care, directed by monitor technology.''

Note: '' arterial pressure waveform analysis for cardiac output (APCO)''





very few clinical papers are out there showing modern hemodynamic monitor use on mechanically ventilated patients

one would surmise this is one that is causing the LiDCO phones to keep ringing 24/7 now that monies have been found in the UK and USA and elsewhere to increase ICU's by 300%.


Which is why buywell forecasts turnover in the next 12 months to go up 200%

And profits of in excess of $2 Million

All IMO

dyor






PS

The WHO have associated sepsis and septic shock as symptoms of Covid-19

www.who.int › docs › default-source › coronaviruse › clinical-manag...
PDF
Mar 13, 2020 - In severe cases, COVID-19 can be complicated by the acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), sepsis and septic shock, multiorgan failure.

[mrc2u] 07/4/2020 19:09

Lidcorapid makes most of the money and is non-invasive and LID pumps LidcoPlus as minimally invasive and has done for 20 or more yearsSo you have shot yourself in the foot yet again you ridiculous, pumped up idiotic buffoonProbably a lot easier target than your brainSHUT UPMrC

[buywell3] 07/4/2020 17:07

But not forgotten by the Heath Care Services around the world at this point in time.

It is becoming evident that many ICU patients with Covid-19 are suffering heart damage

Other organ damage has also been noted in China, Italy and countries that have suffered many deaths from this disease.

The case for Hemodynamic Monitoring in ICU's for Covid-19 patients is proven and orders for monitors are flooding in .

Invasive Hemodynamic Monitoring is the prefered method for ICU patients , particularly those on ventilators .


"Noninvasive systems are presently not recommended for the hemodynamic monitoring of critically ill patients in the ICU. Such systems should be reserved for patients with less serious conditions and/or for patients admitted to the hospital ward or emergency service. "

ODM types are classed as minimally invasive here


So those are more suited to non ICU use IMO

LiDCO makes invasive monitors which were developed in St Thomas' Hospital were Boris is now in the ICU

get well
Boris

dyor

[buywell3] 07/4/2020 16:26

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[nobbygnome] 07/4/2020 16:07

Right my last post here today. You go away and think about your BB credibility and what the honourable thing to do is and we will revisit this discussion tomorrow.

[nobbygnome] 07/4/2020 16:02

Otherwise I am going to email Andy Mears and encourage him to pursue you for libel.

[nobbygnome] 07/4/2020 16:02

Just acknowledge you were wrong, delete the libellous posts as you promised you would and I will never mention it again.

[nobbygnome] 07/4/2020 16:01

Some of your libellous statements were made on this thread so it is perfectly reasonable to discuss them here I am sure you will agree....