Legal & General Share Discussion Threads

[jubberjim] 23/3/2024 18:34

MC

I take it you live up t north

Do they get any sun up there

Have a good weekend

[skinny] 23/3/2024 18:28

I think people are more sanguine (for want of a better word) about VAT as it is supposedly indirect taxation - whereas income tax ....

[bareknee] 23/3/2024 18:25

If they spend it, they'll likely be paying a fair chunk on VAT Skinny !

Funnily enough, no-one really seems to get stressed about VAT, or it's equivalent in other countries, mainly because it's nigh on impossible to avoid.

Luderitz has hit the nail on the head anyway, we either pay tax when we spend it or pass it onto someone else to spend later.

No pockets in shrouds etc ..

[luderitz] 23/3/2024 18:23

Just what is the point of getting money on the stock exchange or anywhere else if your not going to spend it on something.

[skinny] 23/3/2024 18:19

Unless they spend it ....... :-)

[keyno] 23/3/2024 17:50

Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. I would suggest that many, many current and prospective Labour MP's own ISA's. They don't want to pay tax any more than the average Joe does.

[mcunliffe1] 23/3/2024 17:23

I pay my accountant to do my self-assessment. I hate that kind of stuff.
A lot simpler now I'm fully retired and no business income/loss.
When I was working for myself as a self-employed sole-trader rather than as a Limited Company I worked from home (software).
My house roof has had solar panels for 12 years or so and I was taxed on the feed in tariff payments I received. Had I been a limited company stil working at home no tax. Had I been a sole trader with alternate business premises also no tax.

It really bugged me. I mention this in case anybody else is in that same position; beware of the possible tax catch-up.

[drectly] 23/3/2024 16:21

Or over and beyond what is needed for day to day stuff. Build in an ISA as much as possible, but inside and outside the ISA, most of your portfolio in AIM stocks. After 2 years, most can pass on IHT free. An alternative to giving away 7 years before an unknown date and you keep full control of your funds in case they are needed, or the direction you want funds to go changes.

[reddirish] 23/3/2024 16:05

ISA value is transferred to a spouse completely free of inheritance tax: in fact, all one's estate is free of inheritance tax if passed to a spouse. In a sense however, it only delays the inevitable! The only way to avoid inheritance tax will soon be to move overseas to a jurisdiction without such a tax, transfer assets to that jurisdiction, and live on for 10 years while only visiting the UK for fewer than 90 days a year. That is the ' residence' based test currently being consulted upon, but could be overturned by a new government.Currently, it is nigh impossible to avoid UK inheritance tax if your dad was born in the country (that's how tax domicile is judged!) and you have lived here for any tax year since (I think) 2015. It's a complicated situation, and would require professional advice. If one was fortunate enough to have a mega- ISA, the alternative is to invest for income, remove that dividend income every year, give away any excess over your 'normal' spending in regular gifts, and then encourage your children to see the 40% tax on the capital left over on your death as their contribution to the well-being of the nation.....

[woodhawk] 23/3/2024 15:32

I takes me about 1 day to complete my self-assessment tax return every year - which includes all the share deal workings (for the remaining non-ISA'd stuff). I've been doing my own self-assessment for the last 20 years, so it's no big deal anyway. However, as I reach the end of transferring legacy 'cash' shares into the ISA imminently, I don't think I'll have any real need to do a return in future - or at least it will only take me an hour or two a year.

I don't think any Government would 'do away' with ISAs. There would be an enormous backlash - and not just from the likes of us.

[woodhawk] 23/3/2024 14:25

I should point out that my ISA and (smallish) SIPP is the majority of my 'pension'. I do have a full new state pension and a small pension from a previous employer.

Over the past 10 years the income generated from the ISA & SIPP has increased from circa £8.5K p.a. to £40K p.a. That is without any significant addition of external funds; so that increase was fuelled by 100% reinvested trading profits and dividends.

[mcunliffe1] 23/3/2024 13:17

Pierre Oreilly is a great supporter of the ISA rather than the personal pension. He's been investing since '86 when PEP's arrived he has said many times.

I didn't. Dad worked for Std. Life and hence sold me endowments for my mortgage side - and to be fair, most did very well as they matured before about 2004. He also sold me pension policies and they did OK until about five years back.

I now try to draw-down as much as poss. from the SIPP without paying massive amounts of tax and stick the money in March into a cash ISA. I have a S&S ISA with Quilter and that has performed in line with the wider market in the past couple of months.

Holidays are my weakness so a fair bit goes that way. £40k p.a. is very good - far more than me at the moment but my aim is to get there eventually albeit with diminishing time.

[bareknee] 23/3/2024 13:12

NetCurtains

Read the recent Full Year Results. The official EPS for that year were 7.35, so historic p/e is 255/7.35 ~= 35.

You then have to make a judgement on whether or not the underlying eps of 13.96 is a better indicator of performance. If you're happy to accept that figure, then it gives a p/e of ~18.

Then you have to look at cashflow, prospects etc to see if you think the p/e will drop ...

[joey52] 23/3/2024 12:33

Also preferring ISA over Sipp. Sipp is being used for IHT purposes and moved any free cash to Low coupon Gilts last year whilst maintaining a emergency reserve.

[woodhawk] 23/3/2024 12:18

MCunliffe1,

I'm glad that I preferred my ISA over my SIPP - especially in view the frozen tax thresholds until 2028. Ok, so I didn't get the tax relief, but now all my divis and any trading profits can be withdrawn entirely tax free. My divi income is already circa £40K p.a., with essentially no tax (which equates to a theoretical taxed income of circa £50K) no matter how high that rises in future.

[spud] 23/3/2024 12:16

Ditto Skinny. I learnt my buy and hold strategy through LOQ as it was called then. I do however try to time the buy through small parcel accumulation as that's generally where the yield maximisation of the B&H methodology is made. spud

[skinny] 23/3/2024 12:03

Woodhawk, I think that's the strategy that many on here adopt and it does come with age - where once I thought nothing of trading the same share 10 times a week, I very rarely enter in to short term / day trading these days, preferring to collect income with hopefully some capital growth.

Its a bit like boy racers who drive recklessly taking risks, not realising they have all of their life ahead of them v the older driver who values life and drives accordingly.

I was one and now many years later, I'm the other.

[mcunliffe1] 23/3/2024 12:01

Some good points made here this morning.

It will be interesting to learn of the rules for this British ISA. Some UK listed companies make a significant amount of their earnings from outside the UK.

I'm also mainly SIPP'd and ISA'd - and have been drawing-down for seven years now. I've found that about 7-8% of the pot can be taken each year from the SIPP.

[chiefbrody] 23/3/2024 11:46

Yeh Apr 25 seems about right from what I've read. FWIW. Hardly a big deal anyway but every little helps I guess. (Esp if you're not old).

[woodhawk] 23/3/2024 11:39

graham8,

That is pretty much the general strategy I have adopted over the years. However, now - being older - I am ever more inclined to trade less and profit more passively from divis and reinvestment. My volume of trades for the current year are less than half the previous year, whilst my regular divi income continues to steadily accumulate.

bargainsniper,

Unfortunately, not before April 2025. However, over the next year I already expect to have my entire portfolio ISA'd and SIPP'd (I'm 90%+ there already). So, not a huge benefit to me personally as I'm at the age where I'm thinking more about drawing income than fresh investment.

[bargainsniper] 23/3/2024 11:36

Woodhawk,

Any thoughts when the extra 5K isa for Uk shares will come into affect

[grahamg8] 23/3/2024 11:30

Some interesting comments on investment strategy. Having worked in the past as an Investment Adviser I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the sales team of pretty much every Financial company are being told that correct timing is not the correct answer. This of course is nonsense and simply designed to try to bag a sale now rather than later. Timing of the market and time in the market are both important. Invest long term and be alert for selling or buying opportunities. LGEN are a good long term hold, but there is a price at which they should be sold, as long as some better alternative is available. If you have enough money then it is possible to buy troughs and sell peaks, moving money backwards and forwards over time. If you don't have enough invested to do this then using Funds is an alternative way of doing the same thing. In the main I look for shares with a good income and potential for a share price rise. If the rise doesn't happen then I am happy with the income. If the price does rise I pat myself on the back, sell up and move on (and often come back again later if the share price falls). This is my second go at LGEN (holding), and 5 times in PHNX (holding), 7 times in PLUS (sold out at the moment).

[netcurtains] 23/3/2024 11:24

The financial times has the PE ratio of LGEN as 152.. Advfn has it at 33....

Both seem very high for LGEN...

What actually is the PE ratio for LGEN?