Kinovo Share Discussion Threads

[garyb01] 20/3/2024 09:02

Presentation... "Legacy operational issues" whose watch did these occur on?...

[fattyd] 18/3/2024 05:47

Practical Completion. There are ongoing disputes with sub contractors, struck payments which may put back PC , particularly on the Surbiton project.

[patient fox] 17/3/2024 23:25

he has only just created his account and that's his first post.

[jj3483598] 17/3/2024 23:01

Can you elaborate FattyD? What is PC? And what issues are you talking about?

[fattyd] 17/3/2024 06:39

Morning All
PC on two of Kinovo’s projects are due next week but I suspect it’s quite likely they won’t receive PC as many subbies have not been paid and there are ongoing issues.

[sooty snipes] 16/3/2024 09:00

How weird is that. You'd need very fat fingers to make that error. Luckily for whoever it was for a very small amount. Just 250 shares

[barnesian] 15/3/2024 22:27

alex_mc

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[alex_mc] 15/3/2024 19:18

Fill in a gap in my knowledge here, how do you get that information? As in where can you see sales at certain prices going through from? Thanks

[otemple3] 15/3/2024 18:00

Who sold the shares at 25p at the close......?

[garyb01] 14/3/2024 22:52

Ok get the mitigation- what about accountability?...

[barnesian] 14/3/2024 09:17

I've now watched all 54 minutes of the presentation and Q&A.

The DCB fiasco certainly has the full attention of the management and they seem now to be on top of it. Eight projects have been derisked and the final one is a flat site project which is therefore less risky as there are no unseen construction faults as construction has not yet begun. All options for the final project are on the table including a early settlement without construction. As the Company is involved in negotiations on these options it is understandably cagey about disclosing figures.

Overall I was reassured about the level of remaining risk which I judge to be small and manageable.

What I don't still understand is how they got into this mess.
I may have got this wrong so correct me if I have.

In 2018 the Company was singing the praises of DCB Kent in their Annual Report.
httxs://www.kinovoplc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bilby-Annual-Report-2018.pdf

Nevertheless, for reasons I don't understand, they decided to sell it to MCG Global in 2022 with guarantees on the execution of the ongoing projects.

"MCG Global Limited acquired DCB (Kent) Limited from Kinovo plc (AIM:KINO) for £5 million on January 12, 2022. Under the terms of the consideration, £1.9 million will be payable on the successful completion of current projects, most of which are due in the calendar year 2022, £2.1 million will be payable on trade settlements relating to these current contracts and £1 million payable as earnout amount subject to DCB achieving £3 million profit before tax in 2023 and 2024 respectively."

MCG was incorporated in May 2021 and went bust around June 2023 leaving Kinovo holding the baby with nine unfinished project with many hidden faults. I'm not clear whether the faults were caused by Kino before the sale or by MCG subsequently, or whether MCG was even a company with operations. Very odd.

The management stated in the Q&A that the lesson they have learned is to stay out of the construction business and focus on their core business. I think there are many other lessons to be learned from this messy business!

Be that as it may, I am reassured that the DCB liability is now under control and will continue to hold my shares.

[mrjakeydunhams] 13/3/2024 22:16

Adding around 100k shares at 47p, taking it’s time to fulfil the order
Bullish on KINO

[sooty snipes] 13/3/2024 17:36

fft did you listen to the presentation? From what I recall it wasn't as simple as that. Go from 6.30 on the presentation video.

[fft] 13/3/2024 17:19

Plastic pipes which are glue fitted are as good as copper and easier/cheaper to install.Put glue round the pipe, insert the male and twist 90 degrees. Easy. Also, when changes required, far easier to work with.Or use threaded.

[qs99] 13/3/2024 15:28

Thanks all, really interesting.

I haven't had a chance to look at yet, at work (!), was there any chat about recompense from those shoddy workmen/companies??

Thanks

[sooty snipes] 13/3/2024 14:45

I posted the link as requested. People can make their own minds up. Bear in mind when MCG Global collapsed these legacy contracts were left unfinished and open to the elements for quite a while. Are you invested here Smithie?

[smithie6] 13/3/2024 14:28

...sooty snipes

I disagree.
If you contract to get stuff like fresh water pipes or dirty water pipes or electricity put in

Logic says that you do a basic test or inspection soon after it is done.....& before you fit/add plaster/plasterboard.

If do a number of joints with push fit pipejoints then personally I think that a leak is a real possibility, whereas with soldered copper joints the % chance of a leak is very small imo if visual inspection shows that it has been done correctly, using enough or too much solder & the colours, sheen, overflow look correct/sufficient.

Sounds there was zero quality control & zero/little inspection by any site manager.

[sooty snipes] 13/3/2024 14:25

Link to yesterdays presentation below

[barnesian] 13/3/2024 13:47

Sooty - could you please post a link. It sounds really valuable info.

[fft] 13/3/2024 10:29

If the work was so shoddy, why wasn't it picked up when kinovo first had to provide an estimate of the cost of fixing it ? Did KINO actually look at what needed doing or just kick the can down the road ? The difference is so large from the original estimate that it doesn't look good from a trusting mgmt point of view.

[valustar1] 13/3/2024 06:08

From the presentation seems that they are considering a way out of the final project. Makes sense.