J Fisher & Sons Share Chat (FSJ)

Share Name	Share Symbol	Market	Type	Share ISIN	Share Description
J Fisher & Sons	LSE:FSJ	London	Ordinary Share	GB0003395000	ORD 25P

	Price Change	% Change	Share Price	Bid Price	Offer Price	High Price	Low Price	Open Price	Shares Traded	Last Trade
	+0.00p	+0.00%	1,650.00p	1,654.00p	1,660.00p	-	-	-	0	06:40:14

Industry Sector	Turnover (m)	Profit (m)	EPS - Basic	PE Ratio	Market Cap (m)
Industrial Transportation	505.4	49.0	80.1	20.6	830.70

J Fisher & Sons Share Discussion Threads

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05/4/2018 10:15	Roddie. i think you have hit the nail on the head. Spotty teenager/maybe, market makers whacking the price with no background reason....hoping for a minor panic from holders and then stocking up on the cheap.	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
05/4/2018 10:05	The following is the last paragraph from an article on stock market statistics-- "Trying to identify the number of active private investors with non trivial holdings in the UK is somewhat problematic, but looking at the readership of publications such as Investors Chronicle and tip sheets that appeal to such investors, it is probably at best a few hundred thousand although some may simply rely on their stockbrokers for information (they may even hold “discretionary” accounts), or do not actively trade. There are also an unquantifiable number of execution only traders who trade actively but move in and out of the market – in other words who are short term speculators. These may even trade in CFDs or via spread betting so do not appear in any of the above statistics." Worth a read:-- hxxps://www.sharesoc.org/investor-academy/advanced-topics/uk-stock-market-statistics/ There may be a pool of very small active investors/ short term traders who account for much of the daily activity in many shares . The internet has made it possible for anyone to trade cheaply and easily. I know of a schoolboy who regularly trades with very small amounts : why not? A tax inspector told me that they get people whose tax returns include hundreds of small deals a year.	roddiemac2	Read Full Thread Reply
05/4/2018 09:37	Me neither. One would have expected the share price to rise y'day as buyers would want to get the div. and that it would have gone down today when it went x-d but the reverse has happened. I shall bide my time now as regards the selling till the price has recovered and may buy more if the price comes down again and I will use limit orders now the end of year deadline is past.	bouleversee	Read Full Thread Reply
05/4/2018 09:23	....can not get	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
05/4/2018 08:48	yes - as u will have seen - i have been grumbling about this for years, (thanks your understanding) - on this one, and still can not to get to the route cause of it ! And all this volatility in a company which has shown remarkable steadiness in its results over a long time.	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
05/4/2018 08:04	Good morning, I don't pay much if any attention to trades, so can't really comment. But it is the last day of the tax year, so if you are right tomorrow should see an end to those tiny trades. cheers	illiswilgig	Read Full Thread Reply
04/4/2018 17:16	I had the same problem trying to buy 500 in my son's ISA which in some ways I can understand more as there is not a lot of volume. Again, I let it go so we've missed the dividend on that one. Can you understand people buying/selling 11 or fewer shares? Perhaps that's the MMs getting rid of the differentials when people bed and isa-ing and end up with fewer shares for their money. I really don't understand what was going today unless it was just the end of tax year b&i deals which threw the market. The share price ought to go down further tomorrow when it goes x-d.	bouleversee	Read Full Thread Reply
04/4/2018 16:28	Boule, Yes weird isn't it. I've noticed recently with the increased volatility that on line sales are often rejected. Selling seems a lot more prone to this than buying. Particularly on down days. I even had trouble selling some HSBC shares this week. But a few minutes later it all worked - and I got a better price. Fisher has such low volumes I'm not suprised its worse. Like you chose in this instance I either trade online or I don't trade. Good luck, cheers	illiswilgig	Read Full Thread Reply
04/4/2018 12:46	apols double post	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
06/3/2018 09:05	Thanks vm Roddie.	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
05/3/2018 14:58	emerald, Whilst I understand the basics of algorithms ( having just read up on them ! ), I have no idea how prevalent they are in day to day trading in any one stock. In that respect , I am an old dog who can`t be taught new tricks. How things have changed. When I first bought shares over fifty years ago, I used to speak occasionally to a partner in E.B. Savory Miln. He would recommend a few investments ,and confirm those in writing to me. I would choose one or two, and act on his advice; that advice was always good. As a very small fish, I was lucky to have this contact. My boss was his nephew. It was not until many years later that I had adequate savings to invest larger amounts, but my earlier experience stood me in good stead. I don`t pay much heed to daily price movements , unless they are accompanied by good volume. I try to concentrate on the story.	roddiemac2	Read Full Thread Reply
05/3/2018 10:54	Roddie - interested to hear your views on mine above. I think it's actually algorithm activity.	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
02/3/2018 09:21	Phillis is almost certainly right about the market makers.They regularly have a field day here ,in flurries of small trades. There were three large trades 1459p. on Wednesday.	roddiemac2	Read Full Thread Reply
01/3/2018 16:01	There's probably little volume because few want to sell. My family are certainly hanging on to ours.	bouleversee	Read Full Thread Reply
01/3/2018 15:12	roddie IF I were a holder something would need to be more obvious for me to sell I am not a buyer because I feel there is nothing extra in the valuation The MMs march the share price up and down on v little volume - actually pathetically little Have a look at Dechra for a REAL growth stock with a fancy rating	phillis	Read Full Thread Reply
01/3/2018 10:01	Roddie You make a v good point about the consistency of the company's results. Is it a bit strange therefore, that the share price is characterised by such extraordinary volatility ? I suppose this not a bad thing as it allows adding on the dips. There seems to be a lot of algorithm trading too - deals that involve just single digit trades. All very out of keeping with a very nice and steady performance over a long time. Still seem on the cheap side to me.	emeraldzebra	Read Full Thread Reply
28/2/2018 16:58	Phillis , After today`s strong rise in good volume ,I guess you have changed your stance from " fancy rating " to extra virgin fancy .	roddiemac2	Read Full Thread Reply
28/2/2018 16:37	illiswilgig, Well done for adding recently. I don`t have much to add to what you have already said. My stance remains strong hold . On the 13/2/18 , over on Shareprice, I said this :- " Their strategy of diversification ( both geographic and by product or service offering ) has enabled the company to compensate for the downturn in Offshore Oil. "---They have done well to achieve this. As Offshore Oil has diminished, so Marine Support has increased. Today we have the announcement that Fergus Graham is being promoted to the BOD, and will be in charge of Marine Support from 1/3/18---: preparation for growth to come? They have consistently increased the dividend in double digits for more than 20 years ; I think it is 21 or 22 now.	roddiemac2	Read Full Thread Reply
28/2/2018 11:07	Phillis, your criticisms of debt growing and ROCE deteoriating are accurate. As is your comment regarding eps growth over 4 years. With my hindsight goggles firmly in place I can see that the company managed sweet FA growth in eps. Provided of course, that you pick the right year to compare with. Let's say 4 years ago just before the collapse in oil prices caused the eps to decline for one year? So is that your forward looking forecast for this year? Another 1p or 2p on eps? Of course if you pick the last 3 years instead then the eps growth looks different. Closer to 10% a year. The main division, almost 50% of sales, is currently growing at 17% a year. So you pays your money and takes your choice. But whichever historical period you pick it's going to be a poor guide to whatever happens in the next 12months? It will be interesting to see how it works out, especially as I have put my money on one outcome, cheers Illis	illiswilgig	Read Full Thread Reply
27/2/2018 11:49	yes indeed illis eps over last four years has barely changed despite the regular acquistions debt growing and ROCE deteriorating Still a fancy rating for a pedestrian business performance	phillis	Read Full Thread Reply
27/2/2018 09:35	Good Morning all! Results for 2017 out this morning. Sales £505m (+10%) Underlying pre-tax profit £50.3m (+10%) Underlying diluted eps 81.4p (+7%) total dividend 28.7p (+10%) Statutory pre-tax profit £49m (+9%) Statutory eps 79.5p (+1%) I have to admit that's better than I expected and considerably better than I feared. Not that it will be enough to please the market - very little is at the moment. No doubt those of a more negative outlook will focus upon the 1% increase in statutory eps. I'm never happy with negative free cashflow. Though in this case it was flagged in advance and is tied up in the Indian Submarine Rescue contract. The reversal of this during 2018 (all going well) will itself help to increase both cashflow and profit. Seems that the Marine Support division increased profits by 17% and is now almost 50% of the sales. Seems to have started the new year well and is expected to continue to drive growth. Specialist technical is acknowledged to have 'lumpy' profits so I'd translate that as meaning any increase in profitability will depend upon winning new contracts to replace the Indian one. Tankships seems to very profitable but not much growth potential? Been a cash cow for a long time now. Which leaves off-shore oil. Now a small part of the group (10% of turnover) and low profitability. They acknowledge a pick up in orders - but we've been here before so the caution on the outlook is understood. Nevertheless it remains the case that a small recovery in sales should boost profitability of this significantly. Buried in the Chairman's statement is a reference to a normal annual growth in profits above 10%. Putting this in the outlook statement would be a hostage to fortune. In the chairmans statement I see this an aim. With Marine Support motoring I expect 10%+ growth in profits in the current year. Providing Specialist Technical and Offshore Oil don't misfire and significantly higher if they do bring in new projects to these divisions. cheers	illiswilgig	Read Full Thread Reply
22/2/2018 17:35	Did I say it would? I don't think so. I agree that such a small acquisition will have zero effect now. Small acquisitions that they made a long time ago now form the core of an FTSE250 (at the moment) company. Whether this one has any impact in the future, time will tell cheers	illiswilgig	Read Full Thread Reply

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