Hvivo Share Discussion Threads

[mam fach] 24/11/2018 14:12

Never thought they would go this low.
Although there has been talk of 20p but I never thought it would happen.
So where do we go from here ?
Opinions welcome.

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 13:02

You really are naive if you think these spivs follow the rules.

But looking at your posting history here I think it's more likely you are a paid troll tasked to help the shorters.

[macangts] 24/11/2018 12:58

Shorting needs to be notified to the FCA within particular limits, the list is available here:



HVIVO are not listed!

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 11:27

Cottoner, I believe you posted those numbers on LSE this morning and they were taken straight from the company's website.

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 11:23

HVO website says as of 10th October:

Lansdowne Partners Limited 3,827,771 or 4.8%.

It also shows no reduction in any of the other ii holdings.

This is a shorting attack

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 10:17

LP is a UK based fund so would definitely have to declare if it crossed the 3% threshold.

[cottoner] 24/11/2018 09:59

There are exceptions, eg

Investment/fund manager All managers of lawfully managed investments, operators of collective schemes and investment companies with variable capital can disclose at minimum EU thresholds (5% and 10%) and not lower 3% with incremental 1% that apply for holdings in UK issuers. Above 10% the 1% incremental thresholds apply.

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 09:39

They require one for every percentage point crossed and definitely when they have crossed the 3% threshold

[cottoner] 24/11/2018 09:10

bm - wrt LP holding , I don't think another TR1 is required to be released once they got down below 5%. (unless they added and went above 5% again)

They announced one below 5% , but stated no specific holding number of shares or %, only below 5%.

Happy for this to be confirmed or disputed.

[discojames] 24/11/2018 08:36

What's your motivation here magpie?

[bernymadoff] 24/11/2018 01:06

This bears all the hallmarks of a shorting attack. The same thing happened last March too and the company was forced to issue a statement saying it saw no reason for the share price drop.
People are surmising that LP selling is causing the weakness but there is no evidence of that and also the drop is simply too precipitous for that to be the reason. When the company declared on Oct 1st that LP had fallen below 5% on Sept 26th the share price was still 61.5p and the announcement had little immediate impact on the share price which continued ranging between 60-65p. LP's selling 2.6% of their holding had not had any effect on the share price And here's the real proof LP are not selling. According to HVO website, as of 10th October Lansdowne Partners Limited held 3,827,771 shares or 4.8%. What is interesting is that the drop started a few days later on Oct 9th just one day after the company announced £21m worth of new contracts. Naturally you would expect such positive news to spike or shore up the share price. Strangely however, after a mini spike on the Oct 8 rns, the share price started nosediving. Those who say that it is because LP are selling (as I also initially assumed) are mistaken. The volume of sells should have triggered a TR1 at 4% but it hasn't so my view is that LP haven't sold down beyond this level. What has been evident however is the chunky sells that have been dropped regularly into the market and which have had the effect of tanking the share price. For a short to be effective requires the shorting entity to begin his trade at the top such as after the mini spike on the £21m contracts announced on Oct 8th. The shorters knew that with the company having started the process of selling the Flu-v vaccine to a pharmaceutical major there would likely be no significant news or liquidity event for some time. They also knew that with Woodford having reached the legal ceiling there were no major buyers in the market. Having no counter party that is buying stock has given the shorters a free run. It is no coincidence that the price crash has come AFTER Woodford went above 29% and reached his upper limit. The shorters knew then that with no other major buyers in the market the tiny free float here would make the share price vulnerable to an attack. So that's exactly what they've done. Look at the price action on the chart after the NiH partial PIIb trial results came out last March - the descent is virtually identical. At that time the company even had to issue an rns stating it saw no reason for the decline. The truth of the matter is that the spivs are taking us for all for a ride. I don't know whether it's a broker or the MMs but someone somewhere is making a lot of money bringing the share price down to these levels. With all that being said I think we are near the bottom now simply because the lower we go the more risky it becomes for the shorters. All it takes is a flurry of interest generated by significant news and the share price will be back up in a flash. If the company was to drop an rns tomorrow stating that they are in advanced talks with Sanofi or GSK the demand for shares would be so great that the shorters would struggle to close their positions and the thin free float here would greatly exaggerate the rise. The best example I can remember is Kibo Mining (Kibo) which was the subject of a shorting attack a few years ago. To counter the shorters the company released a series of great RNS' which had them scrambling to cover. Shares in Kibo jumped within days from 1.5p to a high of 14p. I imagine the problem with HVO is that at least one of the MMs is in cahoots with the shorters so they will protect against any such spike catching them out here. It really stinks but until the authorities ban naked shorting this kind of share price manipulation will continue to rob investors of their hard earned money and companies from failing to realise true value on the exchanges.

[dave4545] 23/11/2018 22:40

That was always my sneaky suspicion today that the buyers would not clear the overhang and as always in this impatient market where most only hold for a few hours a lot of people lost patience and sold and some for quite a loss.

[2magpies] 23/11/2018 21:44

Time you stopped your stupid ramping.

No one believes you lot anymore.

Total ramp-failure today.

[discojames] 23/11/2018 17:29

I note your lack of answer, the obvious signs of a deramping as if we needed one. When the board's pick up in traffic and you little worms come out to play, it is normally a good sign.

[mister md] 23/11/2018 16:12

a 25000 buy just went through on NEX at 21p

Hopefully a big sell will show after close as the dumper is cleared out ?

[2magpies] 23/11/2018 15:21

Ah yes....... that tell-tale question .. always identifies a ramper.

Seen it so, so many times.

Looks like this 'day-ramp' won't work today.


LOL!

[discojames] 23/11/2018 15:07

What exactly is your motivation here magpie?

[2magpies] 23/11/2018 14:47

well, just weeny bit away from 19.7 now.

Imagine where it will get to if all the day-ramp lot abandon ship!

[ntbb] 23/11/2018 14:07

Mdchand sre they now quoting for 50k buy

[qs99] 23/11/2018 13:00

Sense some big sellers in some AIM stocks are creating artificial prices DYOR

[mdchand] 23/11/2018 12:51

Interesting - no instant quote for 50k, now quoting 10k buys only. Still, could be an MM ploy but I've had a nibble.

[mister md] 23/11/2018 12:39

few buys at 22.8p, now full ask of 23p having to be paid again ...

[mister md] 23/11/2018 12:37

2magpies, back in April it was a large seller being cleared, the price rocketed straight after. I suspect similar thing going on currently

[2magpies] 23/11/2018 12:32

ntbb

sp doesn't slide by 60%+ (especially over such a prolonged period)for no reason.

To date we don't know what that reason is.

Has Mr. Market got wind of something negative??

[mister md] 23/11/2018 12:31

a 41,930 buy at 23p on NEX few minutes ago
Hopefully a biggy sell will go through/show later, then it can finally move up