Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Essentra Plc LSE:ESNT London Ordinary Share GB00B0744359 ORD 25P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +1.20p +0.29% 414.20p 412.00p 412.40p 416.80p 411.60p 416.80p 773,357 16:35:01
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Support Services 1,027.3 -4.9 43.7 9.5 1,089.10

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18/9/2018
10:15
Had a very small amount under 4.16. still on over 17X 31/12/18. A main factor here is the multiple, even following numerous profit warnings, stayed on the high side. Would not rule out under 3.90, but very much a case of DYOR.
essentialinvestor
10/9/2018
16:25
A competitor might pay a high multiple, would have thought any take out metrics are too high for private equity, however I'm only guesstimating.
essentialinvestor
10/9/2018
15:33
If it gets down to £3.80 one of the PE firms would definitely go for it. When it got down to £3.90 with the 3rd Profit warning in 2016, I heard that they were starting to sniff around. Your £3.80 to £4.15 is, as you say an interesting range.
uselogic
10/9/2018
15:15
I thought very approx 3.80-4.15 as an area of interest. Woodford possiblly selling?, From memory he held ESNT.
essentialinvestor
10/9/2018
14:23
If it goes below £4.00 then the PE firms would be very interested. Think PE is what is needed anyway. It looks like the turnaround is not a quick fix, based on '17 and H1 '18 results. Not sure why the share price is tumbling at the moment, maybe the larger shareholders are not liking what they are hearing. Raw Materials will rise again next Year, and not sure about their ability to pass on (with exception of components). If it goes below £4.20 it might be worth a punt, but you need to be prepared to hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time, before seeing any sort of return.
uselogic
10/9/2018
12:31
Uselogic, would you buy here under at certain price?, or your view is perhaps too many uncertainties. Thanks.
essentialinvestor
06/9/2018
14:28
Yes I get the valuation at x18, which is high. Bunzl is about 22-23 and usually use that as a comparison, as Filtrona was spun out of Bunzl and they have had consistently good results for last 5 Years. I don't think the recovery is guaranteed, without significant structural changes, which it looks like they don't have the cash to do.
uselogic
06/9/2018
13:03
I get your point, they reference the cost of machines running in to millions, What I've questioned is from a valuation context, the recovery appears to be pricing in recovery, much of which is yet to come - and not guaranteed.
essentialinvestor
06/9/2018
12:58
One of my friends works in the packaging industry. Reckons a new machine is about £2M. If you have + 20 sites that is a significant investment, which they don't have the cash to do. I think they were talking £10M of investment over 3 Years. So 5 machines over 3 Years, isn't going to push the margins back up to where they were.
uselogic
06/9/2018
11:15
Thanks for the view. In terms of investment in packaging, that's happening already. The last two conference calls (available on the Investor relations site) deal with this in detail.
essentialinvestor
06/9/2018
10:27
I think its over valued currently. Packaging will continue to be a drag on the share price. They should look at selling off the Specialty businesses. Stabilise Packaging. Then sell Filters. Use that to drive down debt and then make a call to either invest in Packaging or sell that off.Net debt is rising sharply, they just can't fund all business units. The only good business is the Components, so personally I would like them to sell off the other divisions and use proceeds on an acquisition strategy.
uselogic
06/9/2018
09:02
Uselogic, any view on the current valuation?, I make it around 18x forward earnings.
essentialinvestor
05/9/2018
23:03
Thanks for the above, I see Paul has bought another 20,000.
essentialinvestor
05/9/2018
20:49
Went through the old annual reports. with the "4" new divisions to look at historical trends, which is below as best as I can figure out. 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 H1 Components margin 27.07% 24.21% 24.01% 22.17% 22.64% Packaging Margin 18.19% 13.24% 6.92% -0.51% 0.94% Filters Margin 15.06% 18.31% 13.93% 12.54% 12.16% Specialty Margin 16.06% 15.21% 12.95% 8.62% 6.81% Group 18.48% 17.02% 13.36% 8.23% 8.52% Components trend is down from 2014. Slight improvement in H1. Packaging is not going to get its margins back, without significant investment. Filters in decline. Specialty in decline. Doesn't look great. Question is, how long will the turnaround take.
uselogic
27/8/2018
16:05
The first point is don't look at the 5 yr average. That was heavily skewed by the hype around Colin's tenure, the rash of acquisitions and investors assuming very high future growth rates. From memory, the PE was somewhere around 15-16x before then, would have to double check. Components looks a great business, at least atm, helped by supportive macro in fairness. Filters looks stable(ISH). Specialist components a mish mash. Packaging, a huge amount still to do and current rating already assumes recovery in packaging, at least to some extent. There is also a fairly hefty chunk of debt and the dividend looks uncovered, if earnings recover sharply that's not an issue. The current CEO looks capable, and he keeps buying shares, another 20,000 recently. I think it's worth watching.
essentialinvestor
26/8/2018
10:36
Historically speaking, 19x is not expensive. The 5yr average is 27. You have to go back to 2011 to find a yearly PE under 19.But yeah, there are no guarantees. Are there any at all in this game?.Do you like the business but just find it too expensive?. Under what price would tempt you?.
unnavailable
25/8/2018
16:07
Thanks for the view. I make the consensus around 19x this year's earnings, that's not cheap in my book for an early stage recovery, with no guarantee packaging will return to significant profitability. ESNT looks more than fairly priced, maybe I'm being too cautious, good fortune with your holding.
essentialinvestor
25/8/2018
10:01
I'm in. Recovery definitely under way and the plan seems to be going well. Back to profit and margin expansion.Huge improvement with customers willing to work with Essentra. H2 results crucial. I'll be looking to add around these levels.
unnavailable
24/8/2018
15:10
Anyone interested here?. Watched the recent webcast and do not see a compelling buy case atm. A lot of the valuation appears to be predicated on a turnaround in packaging, which is still at a very early stage. Components firing on all cylinders. On about 19x forward, does this look value?. Might be worth a look lower down.
essentialinvestor
25/4/2018
11:40
Heading back to recent lows?.
essentialinvestor
19/4/2018
09:47
I'm going to keep this on a watchlist, so if anyone has any views in the future, please post.
essentialinvestor
19/4/2018
08:12
Out for me on that bounce, luck to anyone holding.
essentialinvestor
18/4/2018
10:46
Update tomorrow.
essentialinvestor
16/4/2018
11:18
Would be careful drawing any conclusions based on a couple of days, ESNT can move around sharply intra-day. It dipped sub £4 back in November 2016, would not surprise me if it happens again, however that would represent a very attractive longer term buying area, just IMV. Depends what they say Thursday, perhaps.
essentialinvestor
16/4/2018
09:52
chart is bowling up
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