Deltex Medical Share Discussion Threads

[arf dysg] 29/7/2016 15:28

wigwammer, you can't say that the changes will speak for itself. It's changes (plural), therefore the changes will (may/might) speak for THEMSELVES.

Happy to help.

[wigwammer] 29/7/2016 12:50

No doubt the tangible changes resulting from the restoration of democratic accountability will speak for itself.Ciao!

[doglover2003] 29/7/2016 10:34

wig

I will not waste any more time in responding to your circumlocution.

[cisk] 29/7/2016 07:15

Please stop cluttering up this BB with brexit. This is a forum for DEMG.

[wigwammer] 29/7/2016 00:54

Here's a more pertinent debate.U.K. Quantitative easing : £350bn+ (ie the amount used to prop up assets mainly owned by the 40+ demographic)UK EU budget : £18bn.Why are the youth of today propping up the value of DL ivory towers and attached library? Perhaps De Tocqueville has the answer.

[wigwammer] 28/7/2016 19:08

DL -Funny you should mention it - but I was visited by the ghost of thomas hobbes the other day.Delighted to hear as a country we aren't biting each other's heads off, and that this mutually beneficial state of affairs has even (allegedly) spread overseas. No pervasive army required. No death squads. Just a cross in a box once every 5 years.Remarkable? Not really. Win or lose in this country, the vast majority still get a lot of what they want. Successive elections, governments, swings to the left, swings to the right, ups and downs has got us there. Hope that helps, ww

[doglover2003] 28/7/2016 15:27

Wig

I am sorry that that you found your course uninspiring.

Whose views in particular have you found instructive?

Any well-known names?

[wigwammer] 28/7/2016 14:54

Sure. I studied politics and philosophy at one of the top universities in the uk.The content was mostly tripe, but it got me a decent job.Listening to a diversity of people is more instructive than the library in the ivory tower.

[doglover2003] 28/7/2016 10:20

wigwammer

I bow to your untrained, uninterested and instinctive diatribe.
Let me know when you land from your dreams.

DL

[wigwammer] 27/7/2016 13:02

Dog -I have rather more experience of observing and participating in the contemporary UK political system than either the 19th century French historian De Tocqueville or the US born Siedentop. If you want to understand your democracy better I recommend closing the books, opening your eyes, and having a thought of your own. Your point about representative government is a little pedantic. I suspect "the will" of our "representatives" is also democracy, rule of law, freedom of speech, or from a more contemporary angle - to have access to a free market and state protections. I'm very willing to be on the wrong side of the odd general election if we can achieve/sustain that, and I suspect the vast majority of the UK population (or rather, their representatives) share that sentiment.

[ramnik007] 27/7/2016 12:20

.....in the meantime some mopping up 200k

[doglover2003] 27/7/2016 11:16

Wig re 8256

"The only legitimacy given to our democracy is that placed in it by the people who live and serve under it. Do you really think it's power is derived from what is written down in some constitutional document that 99.99% of the population have never seen? You can put all the faith you want in a document, if the people aren't buying into it then it's worthless."

I am sure that I don't need to remind you that the UK does not have a written constitution.What we have is REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT not pure democracy along Athenian lines. The difference is fundamental - The people do not govern they simply choose who governs them from the competing offers of political parties.

Corbyn has no respect for the British democratic system as he regards his constituency as the size of the wider political membership. In my opinion, for which I hasten to add, I have no evidence, he is waiting for a time that is so bad that that the wider population will move to support him. At such a point in time our representative democracy would face its greatest test. However, unless society breaks down I feel confident that our system will meet that challenge.


"Our democratic culture - "the will of the people" - is like a piece a marble"
No, it is not.
You are clearly eliding the ideas of a Constitution, democracy and political leaning.

There is nothing permanent about democratic culture. Different times produce different emphasis e.g 1931 Coalition government was formed to deal with challenging times at the the cost of a democratic accountability but with the power to take decisive action. Our representative government is the the result of a gradual transfer of political power to democratic representatives. This has been combined with the inclusion of a greater portion of the population in the electorate - probably most recently in the form of female suffrage.

Our parliamentary democracy is continuing to evolve as can be seen by the emergence of parliamentary committees which were a response to the emasculation of back bench MPs as a consequence of the needs for party discipline and the whipping system.

Hopefully, it is the respect for the political institutions that remains intact. Without that, I fear, we descend into dangerous territory.

It is for this reason that the Referendum is not a tool that is used as first choice in our political system. It is only to be used where a major change of course is to be considered on which it is considered essential to obtain the consent of the people. However, in constitutional terms the result of a referendum is not binding on a democratically elected government.

However, if you want to want to understand democracy better I suggest De Tocqueville " democracy in America" and Siedentop "Democracy in Europe

[wigwammer] 27/7/2016 10:53

Yump -I'm an MEP.(only kidding..)

[arf dysg] 27/7/2016 10:31

I disagree with all of you.


doglover2003 (8248): "The UK system of government is designed to produce..."

Designed? DESIGNED? We just sort of changed things and bolted on extra bits as we went along. After a few centuries of parliamentary democracy, there's a kind of mixture of precedents, people, procedures, etc. The legislation is also a mixture of things which sometimes work together and sometimes don't. There may even be the occasional loophole or anomaly.



doglover2003 (8248): "The value of our democratic government is that it has legitimacy..."

Hmmm... is this because:
(1) a majority of the British people support it
(2) a majority of the eligible British voters support it
(3) a majority of the eligible British voters who could be bothered to vote support it
(4) the largest minority of the eligible British voters who could be bothered to vote support it?

...not that the alternatives are any better. Democracy is the worst form of government... except for all the others.


Here are some very rough figures, but the conclusion is obvious:
65 million people in the country
45 million can vote (???)
27 million actually vote (???)
11 million (ish) voted for the current government.


Democracy is the worst form of government... except for all the others.

[yump] 27/7/2016 10:28

wigwammer

Are you a writer ? Last paragraph very interesting... I heard something similar a while ago applied to religion, although at least with politics people don't keep referring to the book to justify stuff. Better keep that off here though !

[doglover2003] 27/7/2016 07:31

Wig

"A vote does not give a democracy legitimacy, but a legacy of voting might. I hope you don't need to see examples. We are not remarkable in this part of the world in having the latter."

I don't understand this statement. What does it mean and on what is it based?
This seems to be your own interpretation of democratic legitimacy rather that what is generally accepted under the British Constitution.

And yes I would want to see examples......

[february 30th] 26/7/2016 23:01

Partner? I think that very unlikely, especially now that the US is positioning to become Deltex's prime territory. Anyway, would Deltex trust Edwards with the proper marketing CardioQ, when it would potentially undermine Flotrac?

[wigwammer] 26/7/2016 22:08

I remember watching a conference on iofm with Edwards in 2011/12, where they claimed ODM was too user specific to be commercial (presumably they meant it required too much training).They were happy to use the ODM evidence base at the same conference to justify iofm though!I mention it because Edwards would seem like the obvious partner. Perhaps with better market penetration, trial data, and an easier to use probe, they now have a different view.

[february 30th] 26/7/2016 21:40

It may all be hypothetical - I would have thought with the weaker pound, and the good trial results, not to mention progress in the US, that they are an obvious take-over target. 12p would be a good premium on the current price.

[wigwammer] 26/7/2016 21:07

Zho -Thanks for the note.Slightly depressing to see they expect Deltex to drop another £1.3m cash in 2017e.Thought the plan was monthly cash neutrality/generation in h216.

[wigwammer] 26/7/2016 20:57

Dog - "The value of our democratic government is that it has legitimacy, that it offers a program on which it is elected and can be removed at the next general election if it fails. "Reality check.A vote does not give a democracy legitimacy, but a legacy of voting might. I hope you don't need to see examples. We are not remarkable in this part of the world in having the latter. The last election was largely fought over the speed of deficit reduction - did you find the differences in policy meaningful, or totally and absolutely meaningless? No great shakes that the programs appear repeatedly similar - perhaps we have learnt something over the last 70 years (but so has most of Europe).But you are right in the sense that where a vote is put to the public with a meaningful choice and impact - British sovereignty rules as it should, and we can boot EU law into the heavens if we want to. Only the brexiteers feared otherwise.Expensive way of proving a point without advancing it.

[zho] 26/7/2016 10:20

Strategy USA – it’s showtime!

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[doglover2003] 26/7/2016 10:17

wigwammer

I find your exposition somewhat vague.

Please can you describe specific policies that you want to see from a political party in government so that I can appreciate what you see as shortcomings with the status quo.

I have no idea what you mean by "succession of votes". Every election is fought on its own terms and the positioning of parties is based on their appeal to different interest groups.

The UK system of government is designed to produce strong government which is held to account by a competent opposition. The recent change of personnel at the top of the Conservative government demonstrates how rapidly a party can change to changing circumstances. Breathtaking indeed.

Unfortunately, thanks to Ed Miliband , the Labour Party cannot be described at this time as an effective and competent opposition. They are failing in their constitutional position which is to hold the government to account.

The value of our democratic government is that it has legitimacy, that it offers a program on which it is elected and can be removed at the next general election if it fails. Then, a new government is selected with a fresh mandate.


Judging the performance of governments is not a simple matter and often requires years to pass and for dust to settle. Margaret Thatcher was both loved and hated but no-one in their right mind could now question the enduring impact of her policies on this country.