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Posted at 26/1/2023 14:11 by onehanded
DO NOT own any shares and though lost some money when it fell from 10p to 3p very quickly, over the previous years from selling when in profit and buying back at lower share price it worked for a good long time, though finally got done by GB and his team at the end. Was bored and contacted a old school fiend who works on the Irish Times to see if he had any info on DVRG. 2 weeks later he has found out a few interesting points. Skin division including Labskin / skin trust club could be going up for sale, may be USA interest. He could get nothing on Modern water, but staff were busy involved with countries outside UK, but look like any contracts has run dry in the UK!

Will I buy - NO - bet any break up sale goes into the present management pockets, best any poor suffering holders is the whole business gets sold rather than broken up, BUT can't see anything above 3.2p (is reason for that figure). Would need to see a massive contract with actual proven revenue OR any proven bids for the company and that would involve RNS of investor buying a large % of the shares to even think of getting back in. If I was a betting man I would say a consortium led by the crook GB and TP to buy it all. We will see.....

The whole story just shows never as part of a stable portfolio put more than 15% into 1 company, and don't keep averaging down on big falls chasing the loss.

Posted at 10/11/2022 13:35 by sweet karolina2
gfg,

There are 2 reasons why I say just look at the cash flow.

The first is as stated, ie it tells you when the company is likely to run out of money. The impact of DVRG running out of money can be seen very clearly now in the share price graph it was foreseeable much earlier before the share price crashed. DVRG will run out of money again and be looking to raise about this time next year - probably could make it to after Christmas, but it would be running on the smell and that is not a good position to be trying to raise money against.

The second is that unless they are lying about the money in the bank (some total frauds have done this) the figures can't lie to you. There are legitimate ways to fudge revenue and profit and many less than legitimate ways to do it too. Without some forensic accounting it is impossible to know whether the fudging is legitimate or not. It would only be if DVRG were to be revealed as a total fraud that forensic accountants might get called in - they are expensive and when the company is broke there is nobody to pay for them. Quite often the liquidators just want to get their job done as quickly and painlessly as possible, especially when there is not enough going to be realised from the sale of assets to cover their fees. The Official Receiver might do it, but only when it is in the wider public interest because the tax payer will be picking up the tab for the costs of the investigation and any subsequent prosecution.

All that only happens long after shareholders have lost all their money. Creditors might get some of their money back from liquidation, shareholders always get 0p.

The only answer for PIs is to DYOR properly and apply critical analysis and keep on applying it as things change. The first step in critical analysis is to ask how much confidence can I put on this information. Most BBs are completely useless for assisting with critical analysis as they are generally just echo chambers for people who are already predisposed to believe any good news about the company. BBs do have some benefit when there is a balance from people who are predisposed to believe bad things about the company. Whilst individual posts won't be balanced, the balance is achieved by the 2 sides posting. In order to overcome personal bias, the trick is to place more confidence in the things you don't really want to hear and put more effort into disproving them for yourself. Presenting that proof back, rather than just calling the poster who provided it names and ignoring them, should then allow for further useful discussion which may end up with all parties having a better understanding on which to base their own investing decisions. All very idealistic stuff, which makes most BBs just a source of entertainment rather than a useful tool that helps PIs.

DVRG does not smell like a total fraud (eg like WRN) to me (I could be wrong). It is just a relatively poor business proposition, run fairly badly by people who were prepared to do bad things. It is not all that different from most companies at the bottom end of AIM.

Posted at 03/11/2022 09:37 by tradingit
Be much more wary of these negative derampers than a volition share price. Focus more so on the progression of the two businesses DVRG 2022 18million (doubles YoY since 2018)MSYS more cash the bank than its market cap! Know the game readers! Know the game!
Posted at 03/11/2022 07:26 by hamidahamida
Look at all the companies Nigel is involved DVRG MOS same gang same brokerAll of their share prices have tanked But if you listen to their BS companies are growing like wild fire but they keep doing deeply discounted placings , some times twice a year with cheap broker warrants
Posted at 02/11/2022 10:51 by tradingit
2018SKIN (now DVRG) was not generating any revenues. share price 0.4p pre consolation ( pc.)2022 three AI businesses under the new ticker DVRG delivering revenues of 18M (YoY doubling its revenues) with recurring revenues from around the world inc. top tier blue chip companies as customers. share price 0.2p (pc.)GO FIGURE Tick-tock POP
Posted at 31/10/2022 13:08 by copperwindow93
16 April 2021 gjbrandon:

Yes, this is a very busy period and we will have news on Microtox, China and Skin Trust Club out soon enough.



31 March 2021 gjbrandon:

Everything we do is on collaboration, revenue share basis. Therefore the production of equipment is part of the consortium. We partner with local number 1 or number 2 in the target markets and the cruise ships are more political than anything to do with the ships. It is one of those things that if one port holds out, they lose the ships docking, but they have all sorts of pre-conditions until everyone agrees. A work in progresas.

The data value of 20,000 x $1000 is of course $20m if used as part of a clinical trial of 20,000 subjects for instance with a specific skin conditions. The more who participate, the more accurate the machine learning and AI output and the higher the margin as everything from us is pure data




31 March 2021 gjbrandon:
Our initial BT unit prototype was the size of a hotel safe, but with a requirement for additional safety equipment which made it much bulkier. The development work with Microsaic allows us to reduce it back to that original size.
The China Market for us is the largest in Microtox equipment and will continue to grow very quickly. Discussions are underway with some major parties that will move this to another level.
Retail investors just want to see RNS with big contracts for spikes to get their 100% whereas I have to look long term, well beyond the next RNS. The less spikes and more 3-5% growth days the better from a LTH to keep the traders away.



23 February 2021 gjbrandon:
Always amazing watching the psychology of the markets. When the price drops people run away, when the price rises others get desperate to buy. Long term if you can reach out to management, do your own research and have conviction on the back of that research, there is no long term downside, provided there is revenue and growth. All the rest on BB's noise.


23 February 2021 gjbrandon:
Again I have stated many times that the next few weeks will be subject to strong newsflow as many projects are either ending with good results or start. Anyone who bases their investment decisions on comments on BB's have not done enough research and as you say are off chasing rainbows elsewhere.


23 February 2021 gjbrandon:
We have stated that there will be a webinar on the 24th of March where the Labskin team will present the results.
The last RNS announced that we are already retrofitting 8 units, already ordered, 6 of which are being shipped to China and 2 will remain for testing and data collection in the EU.
As far as can be seen, there is no co-relationship to anything we are doing or any milestones we are hitting, and the share price. Everything we are delivering meets or exceeds what we have said we would achieve.



18 February 2021 gjbrandon:
There was a total of £350,000 this evening and there is and was no warrant overhang. The outstanding warrants are held by wealthy long term holders and having spoken to them, their accounts have cash and they are happy to exercise and hold.
I see comments of warrants being flipped. These are Placees from May 2019. These were not private investors and of the smaller ones who have exercised they did so long ago.
I do know more about todays trades which was an exit for a shareholder who was originally a State Support Investor in Rinocloud.
They were placed with cooperation with the shareholder, their broker and managed through the Company broker.
So, all the awful negative comments on the BB, we purely driven by agendas I cannot fathom, other than derampers.
The two buyers this evening are long term and very wealthy shareholders of DVRG
29 January 2021 gjbrandon:
I would think that with so many pieces of news to come forward that anyone of them is major. I used that phrase in a very specific tweet about Labskin Remote Clinical Trials.

Posted at 31/10/2022 12:21 by onehanded
Great stuff copper.. just shows what a con man GB is. How he can still be involved in DVRG is undeliverable. Hope to see him go soon. The rumour is that GB he is going to leave DVRG all together and become permeant CEO of MSYS. He will have to boost that share price with more lies and get more for his wife shares he forgot to tell the market who sold DVRG and then bought MSYS.
Posted at 31/10/2022 11:36 by copperwindow93
04 March 2022 gjbrandon:
Just speaking to a couple of City traders and the core comments are that It’s indiscriminate. No stocks are escaping this. Margin calls everywhere not helping. Their final comment was that its a great time to buy.


02 March 2022 gjbrandon:
Likewise I never thought we would see these prices again. Strange world indeed but nothing changed in DeepVerge as we are still growing

02 March 2022 gjbrandon:
There is a strange matter when it comes to risk aversion in large companies. It has to do with risk. A large organisation would rather pay more for a company that is profitable and growing for a long while with sufficient traction to avoid making a mistake and the decision maker being fired for being wrong. It has to do with timing, not price. These companies, as you say, are cash rich, but nobody wants to make a recommendation and get fired later for a mistake.


02 March 2022 gjbrandon:


I do not intend to take that long at all. In fact a small fraction by my calculations

02 March 2022 copperwindow93:
I am absolutely certain when news comes it will rise very sharply! Just a question of when that comes!
I was just joking about the children - it is in their kids ISA so you have about 10 years as far as they are concerned! Hopefully you won’t need that long though


02 March 2022 gjbrandon:
I suspect with news this will turn very quickly and reach its true value, perhaps in the medium (less than 12 months) ensure you have time to spend their inheritance


21 February 2022 gjbrandon:
I understand, seriously I do, how frustrating it is from your side. We are frustrated in what we can say, even knowing what we know.
I have been doing business in China since 2003 and if my use of the phrase "overtime, not overnight" relates to impatient shareholders, when it comes to China, it is about not losing face. This is progressing well. While we have not signed the definitive deal, we are working together with them and getting access to their more inner government decision makers in areas such as defence, utilities, and Ecology departments across all provinces. Some we had already, but we are delivering for them in quality and solutions to their network, as well as they are delivering to us, that actual network.
Because we are unable to have all parties engaged on a regular face to face basis, which would be back and forth we are relying on lower levels of engagement building trust.


21 February 2022 gjbrandon:
I did not exit at 8p.i was owed shares worth 22p (at the time) but instead, rather than diluting the shareholders by 1.2% and cost the Company £256k in tax and national insurance costs in last year's accounts, myself and Camillus agreed to to take cash at the share price it was at 2.5 years ago. By doing so, we gave up nearly £220k between us.


21 February 2022 gjbrandon:
82% of club members who received their test results since the marketplace opened in mid-January.

16 February 2022 gjbrandon:
It's a few weeks to end of national trials, skin Trust Club is flying and launch of Modern Water Mobile Services are being readied to roll out. Its all there, just patience and a lousy market


28 January 2022 gjbrandon:
I have been hauled over the coals by Nomad and referred by AIM to address social media comments with absolute caution. Hence my somewhat lesser commentary in social media recently. In the absence of guidance from the Company, AIM consider market expectations from broker notes as an indication of what the company expects to achieve. If those estimates are far out of bounds of what the company considers reasonable, the company is obliged to issue a statement with guidance. The share price in the broker notes are based on discount cash flows from that growth. Currently the broker note suggests 94p. That is not something we have any control over, but based on their model and expectations from the numbers in the broker note.


copperwindow93 to gjbrandon 28 Jan 2022 15:05:08
You are probably not allowed to say, but given only the data that is in the public domain, what would you think the right price should be for DVRG? (Obviously not for public sharing as always).


28 January 2022 gjbrandon:
We already are working with them at team level. My input is to be involved in more meetings at management level as the day to day part is working fine.


28 January 2022 copperwindow93:
Do you have enough time though to take over the reigns at MSYS as well as give full attention to DVRG? I hope so as I am horrifically in the red here


28 January 2022 gjbrandon:
The major investors are fine. Nobody is pleased with the share price. Nothing can be done if the market is also in the toilet, but it has no effect whatsoever on the day to day running of the company



28 January 2022 copperwindow93:

I can only assume as we hit the teens that those involved in the placing are asking some fairly awkward questions currently? Or are they getting more info than the standard shareholders? It is all very demoralising!

27 January 2022 gjbrandon:
Neither did I and many others.


27 January 2022 copperwindow93:

I kept on buying on the way down but ran out of money! Never thought we would see these levels again I have to say but hey ho

27 January 2022 gjbrandon:
Amazing to me is that you have some private investors complain when a placing gets done 11% below the market price at 30p, saying it went to "the chosen few". Yet when the share price goes below, they don't buy. Stock market is the only place where nobody buys in a sale :-)


27 January 2022 copperwindow93:
I think the problem is that nobody realises that anything is happening in China. I assume that everyone thinks all operations there are on hold until the deal is signed. Any significant deals would have to be RNS’ed (10%) and as none have be 2 and 2 are put together.


25 January 2022 gjbrandon:
I have stopped thinking about comments of bulletin board commentators as they either have a trading agenda, do little or no research or my favourite trolls. I have stated on video and in social media that no single government, partner, collaborator, distributor or manufacturer will cause any delay in our growth this year. We are on track and would say so in an RNS otherwise. There is no correlation between what is happening in DVRG and the share price.


25 January 2022 gjbrandon:
We are in China and the issue of getting there for us is not a barrier. In fact all the deals we are doing now in China is with CR collaboration. The issue is one where getting everyone from Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Beijing and Shanghai in one place that we can be involved in is where the barrier lies.
We have had multiple zoom meetings with all parties but face to face is key to finalising. It is not having any effect on our production for our EU mass production lines being buot right now, nor is it having any effect on distribution in China through our Shanghai offices.


03 January 2022 gjbrandon:
Looking forward to 2022 as so much of the effort and investment has gone into preparation to achieve another triple digit percentage growth year ahead. Based on Broker note expectations, the P/E now is running at less than 9 for 2022. Bonkers

Posted at 31/10/2022 11:14 by onehanded
WOW, see rumour that GB he is going to leave DVRG all together and become permeant CEO of MSYS, poor old them lol. He will have to boost that share price with more lies and get more for his wife shares he forgot to tell the market who sold DVRG and then bought MSYS.
Posted at 31/10/2022 10:56 by copperwindow93
25 October 2022 gjbrandon:
It may not be an immediate mediating factor but the technology has had over £50m invested, even before it was being turned into profitable company and the Company is still growing. Assuming the pace of growth continues, there is every possibility for there to be a recovery. Extremes do occur on AIM and while not guaranteed, the same is possible both ways. It's a step, but even now the price is improving. Please give it some time.

25 October 2022 gjbrandon:
To become an insider you would need to have an account with the Company Broker. AIM Rule 10/11 and MAR impose strict conditions on information beyond insiders, who are "supposed" to hold such information and not act upon that information before said information is released in an RNS. These are supposed to protect all shareholders. If leaked, obviously as can be seen, the opposite happens.

19 October 2022 gjbrandon:
Thank you for your concern. I am more concerned for the well being of the team members as it has not been easy for members who have read much of the content of social media. More so that I remain restricted in explaining anything to them, even though they are inside the Company. I can just reassure them that this period will pass. As CEO, I accept the comments with humility but acknowledge it is not that there are hurdles at every step, but that the hurdles are the steps.

19 October 2022 gjbrandon:
I can't imagine it was an ex-employee of any company we turned around, considering we have been hiring since 2020. It may have been a former employee of MW in the US before we acquired it who left and tried to compete against MW and may have failed.

18 October 2022 gjbrandon:
No options were used by management to acquire shares. Management invested and built ownership by investing. Management did not start the company, shares were bought into the company. While turning Modern Water no salaries were drawn down, but salary was in shares at fair value at the time. MW has quickly moved from £50k unit sales to £1m+ solution sales. For clarity, there has been no placing so no offering could have been made. There is a fast growing company and not one losing sales. That is the long term focus

17 October 2022 gjbrandon:
The last part of the RNS states, "in addition, as announced on 20 July 2022, the Company is exploring a range of options to meet the unprecedented demand for Labskin services and the accelerating growth of Skin Trust Club." Management hold a sizeable percentage of the shares and it is in our interest to ensure the best possible outcome for all of us in the long term.

17 October 2022 gjbrandon:
The Company made no statement about equity amounts being raised or any price in the RNS. The Company responded to speculation in the market from a third party and AIM required the Company to respond to speculation. The RNS states that there will be no event of default on the loan once the loan is repaid and that is currently the position, while the Company continues to grow sales and ship equipment. Find one long term shareholder who benefitted from the speculation.

17 October 2022 gjbrandon:
My lack of response is not a reflection of my lack of compassion or concern but there are very strict rules that restrict my capacity to comment outside of what is in the public domain. The Company continues to grow and the issue relate to the fast pace of growth and managing it. It is not possible to manage the share price and recently announced multi-million pound orders have been ignored and year end forecasts and speculation has not helped any long term holder.

10 October 2022 gjbrandon:
There is a complete disconnect between the Company and the stock market. I don't know how the announcements of orders, even from the US Military are not reflected.

28 September 2022 gjbrandon:
We have been concerned about the share price for months

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