Botswana Diamonds Share Discussion Threads

[teemore] 25/11/2016 13:58

For the record Pet (went from 4p to 1.60 plus), AFD and Cooley were the companies that I gained most from and I invest in small AIM companies which were generally off the radar. If you get one good one it will make up for 10 poor/bad ones. I normally do not invest large sums and understand that there is an element of gambling. There is of course an element of gambling/risk in most things that we do regarding investing. Look at how pensions funds have performed and with some companies taking 1.5% to maybe lose 20% of our capital in a year. All one has to do is to look at what happened to many folk who bought new homes to see the value halved, yet they had to continue to pay a mortgage on the full amount. What I liked about JT was that he took no salary from his companies unlike many of his peers who raided their AIM companies taking 500k + salaries.

[fenners66] 25/11/2016 09:28

If it was opinion or ranting maybe, but its not , 4 companies with a decade of track record to examine, as printed in endless reports.

I go back to finding out via these boards that (originally) PET were not a standalone company, then surprise that there were these links to others , then finding out they all did the same thing, talked raised equity, spent it , wrote it off and did it again.

And again....

Before investing I wanted to know that..... others may too.

[chapchip] 25/11/2016 07:42

fenners.....you are so anti clontarf its laughable.

AIM is strewn with numerous businesses that have failed or will fail.....even the FTSE has them.

you just take an opportunity to bash.......time will tell if you are right, but as Elmfield said, I ve done more than alright in in AFD, so this is largely a free carry

[elmfield] 24/11/2016 17:54

Well,
I read the annual report today,
I liked it, there are quite a few irons in the fire.
Actually I reckon the risk is well worth the possible reward,
Did O.K in Afd.

[fenners66] 24/11/2016 17:19

Ein I take your point well made.
However the Clontarf businesses have made a career out of finding a story, a dream if you like, to sell and doing it over and over.
It truly is appealing to the greedy, the gambler. No one is "investing" in Clontarf shares / businesses that are selling anything and even making cash flow let alone profit , its all about gambling with a history of those gambles failing.

However bookmakers are very good businesses, meaning there are always going to be gamblers.

As was said on Bloomberg this morning, why would anyone want to put more good money in after bad, into a business that has a solid track record of losing investors money and repeated dilution and cash calls?

It was said about Banco Monte Pashi de Sienna but of course it made me think about this lot.

[ein] 24/11/2016 17:00

Fenners, De Beers are not infallible and are probably not the best any more in that business. The big money over the last few years has been in large diamonds. Most of these come from two mines Letting in Lesotho and Karowe in Botswana, it sold Karowe in 2009 for $ 49 Million . A diamond from here the 813 carat Constellation sold for more than the price it got from the mine?So plenty to go for here, high risk but equally high reward?

[euclid] 24/11/2016 11:09

This seems to be relevant from 2013:-

[euclid] 24/11/2016 10:36

I'm guessing Siseko unless anyone can say different?

[chapchip] 24/11/2016 08:19

I would imagine that there would have been some sort of contract regarding that and if their obligations fulfilled their stake reverts to someone....question is who ?

[euclid] 24/11/2016 00:02

BCL is the operator but has ceased work on Maibwe before completing the agreed programme of work.

Might there be a question of whether they are still entitled to 51% ?

[euclid] 23/11/2016 23:59

Maibwe project :- BCL farmed-in as operator for 51%, a private Botswana company has 20% and Siseko has 29%.

BOD owns 51% of Siseko, hence giving them approx 15% of Maibwe.

[claudyhe] 23/11/2016 22:30

I am trying to figure out who has an interest in the "brightstone" block.
I know BOD have a 15% carry up to bfs in Milbwe and that BCL (51%) were the operator but who holds the other 34%. I assume BCL's share will be up for sale when preliminary liquidation completed in four months, could BOD raise the funds for that purchase and JV again with Alrosa? Or are we looking at a new player on the block? (LUC maybe)

[teemore] 23/11/2016 17:14

Maybe we should be making a collection for the fenn as the guy obviously has serious problems

[leedskier] 23/11/2016 16:39

Nice finish too by the looks of it.

[mickluv1] 23/11/2016 09:58

Nice start to today!

[markfrankie] 22/11/2016 20:53

I can't see Emilio' s post I must have filtered him so time ago too
Lol

[emilio] 22/11/2016 08:51

Fenners LOL Filtered !

[peterz] 22/11/2016 08:49

Blimey, fenners must have made some statement.....can't see because fenners is already filtered for some reason that I can't remember. Lol.

Onwards and upwards with the luck of the Irish. Hope that doesn't get me into trouble...
ATB.

[markfrankie] 21/11/2016 20:22

sorry fennor but we are only interested in BOD . the management of bod and the luck of bod and the experience of bod the deals done with bod and their experience of diamond hunting. all things BOD

[fiachra] 21/11/2016 13:27

Fennor-"The main areas of activity,at this time,are confined to Ireland Botswana and Ghana". Iraq is dormant. Yes he has a family.

[fenners66] 21/11/2016 13:17

Please we dont want to hear it. the "It" is made up of quotes and facts from the annual reports.
I know you are all serious investors who don't want to be reminded of the risks , but its not for your consumption you are not interested anyway.

As for just going to dust, well that is the point after 10 years of getting no where (say PET) these companies are not going away . the story just changes and the new issue shares keep funding.

Once upon a time a football manger got a team promoted from league 2, on the back of that he got the job with a champion ship team, who sacked him and were then relegated, later the same season he landed a job with a Premier league team and promptly they got relegated same season and then sacked him as well. He returned to the first club and had a poor record again and was promptly sacked once more , under new stewardship that team got promoted again.

So was he a fantastic manager all along? Did he have a record of success or failure after all he got promotion once years before?
is he now back in the premiership or not employed as a football manager at all.

I think we know the answer .

[prettybullish] 21/11/2016 12:38

Fenners66....you are also missing the point that a lot of investors made money on AFD..sold to Lucara...who then went on to find some serious gemstones in the mine that AFD found....so as far as diamonds are concerned in this part of the world...the management team have been there and done it. We are all hoping for more of the same!

[mickluv1] 21/11/2016 11:31

Fenners this is the investment that we have all chosen! If your not invested here then would you be so kind as to take you misery elsewhere? Thanks in advance!!!!