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[rocket fuel] 18/3/2013 17:29

sar, rene, pyc. they will all go the same way!
there are an abundance of mug punters propping them up till they pop.
one born every minute on Aim!

[rocket fuel] 18/3/2013 15:32

remember this one? just 36 posts ago on this thread and 5 months before they went bust!


rocket fuel 21 Sep'12 - 10:38 - 550 of 586 0 0 edit

you really have to wonder what the end game is here with this shower. seen a lot of aim co's milk the aim speculators with hype, only to kill shareholder value in the long run with barely legal tactics to pick up a cheap mbo. nice shiny manufacturing and collagen plant courtesy off!



abh shareholders paid for a new company with contracts ready to go.
go check out these two links:

[jenniferzz] 16/3/2013 10:10

Good advice Mike but it will fall on deaf ears

[mike111d] 15/3/2013 19:38

No the_doctor, they will have resigned because they see no prospect of the company being in a position to return i.e. no potential for fees going forwards. You might IMO find it useful engaging with various nomads to better understand how they operate and to assist with the interpretation and timing of certain RNS statements etc.

[the_doctor] 15/3/2013 11:33

Surely the NOMAD has resigned because this is no longer listed!

Grant Thornton and other previous NOMADs will remain associated whether they're currently linked or not.

[rocket fuel] 13/3/2013 18:10

the nomad has done a runner now, don't wanna be associated with this shower. they are hardly going to appoint another now, being as there is nothing left to advise on.

[pegasus59] 15/2/2013 21:16

Handed over to another CMO after having done all the spade work for the european launch



"We are also advancing international registrations for Excellagen, including CE Mark registration, which is expected in first quarter 2013, to enable marketing and sales in the European Union and in other international markets where the CE Mark is considered an important commercial recognition of quality."


too many fingers burnt in the city to risk it again

it will be a major contract for fujifilmdyosnth if they get it

[pegasus59] 15/2/2013 20:42

who advised Artemis? and were wigs team duped as well hence the hostility towards Dr Harper

i will find out eventually

[rocket fuel] 15/2/2013 20:08

and a lot of foolish followers of this thread lost a tidy sum!

[pegasus59] 15/2/2013 20:01

dont forget a lot of very good staff lost their jobs

[rocket fuel] 15/2/2013 10:32

yeah, the abh atm run dry out of cash. dont worry though, plenty more mug punter Aim bio blags going on out there to rinse the lemmings!

[pegasus59] 14/2/2013 23:08

And as the final curtain falls we bid farewell to an Angel



life goes on

peg

[inside2] 14/2/2013 09:11

This is so worth a watch

[72nov] 13/2/2013 20:05

Jack 1236 Will do cheers!

[hedgehog33] 13/2/2013 15:42

You really are Dr Harper... aren't you....

[the_doctor] 13/2/2013 15:38

'Perhaps we'll see when it is revealed who finally picks up the pieces'

I'm not so sure that'll happen

A buyer of ABH will face Exactly the same issues

It's possible that someone (such as the Russians) held off funding ABH, or even deliberately delayed contracts to cause it to go bust in order to pick the company off shareholders for little
However, this isnt a company with debt that's being written off. The running costs will be the same - the chance of contracts will be same.

ABH perhaps just needed more time, but time requires cash it didnt have

[the_doctor] 13/2/2013 15:36

'I would have liked to have thought that all this boiled down to a little more than just "hope"'

then you misunderstand the industry
Sure, they would have planned to have the right capabilities with which to attract business, but there's still an element of 'hope'
I did not say 'blind' hope and never suggested there was not sensible strategic planning behind it.

what they should have done was restructured much earlier - ie. the JV assuming that was the point of that.
I suggested long ago that while they were burning cash, it was foolish to have the large Cramlington site empty as well as Pentlands.



'an incredibly 'over-optimistic' picture was painted'

No it wasnt
1. they only ever talked of a pipeline of potential orders. That's far from saying anything was guaranteed
2. if the orders they'd had weren't delayed and if they'd scored a couple more, the strategy would have played out just fine.


'Only a few saw through it'

Wrong - there was nothing to see through
Those you refer to did little more than toss a coin and get lucky
They had no real understanding of the business or its outlook.
Moreover, if anyone suggests they 'saw through' anything, then that alone proves their nonsense because there was no scam to 'see through'

[hedgehog33] 13/2/2013 13:23

You are of course correct in the futility of our discussions.. though

"""Their hope was to attract business into Cramlington"""

I would have liked to have thought that all this boiled down to a little more than just "hope"..


However, the hard facts as far as I can see them are that, an incredibly 'over-optimistic' picture was painted encouraging substatial investment thus establishing funding/re-aligning of a state of the art facility whilst also encompassing an additional business/staff etc... before we were ground down to where we are now..... within six months.

Only a few saw through it, maybe there was a little more strategic planning involved as opposed to just blind hope than we thought ehh.. !!

Perhaps we'll see when it is revealed who finally picks up the pieces.

[the_doctor] 13/2/2013 13:10

Hedgehog,
The fact it's in admin makes NO difference regarding what we were discussing, does it??

'In my experience'
Yes, as I've said, your experience is not relevant to a bio CMO
This is not the same


'I would be seeking some element of sucurity'

Like I said, ABH may have had some assurance from some parties
BUT the whole point was, they were loss-making with Pentlands alone
They HAD TO expand or do something different

Their hope was to attract business into Cramlington
It just isn't realistic to suggest they should have secured enough business first - they had to commit to Cramlington in order to go after new business, let alone actually get guarantees against any of it

[72nov] 13/2/2013 13:05

DocI'm not reading your post again as you seem to want to defend these clowns in charge of this fallen company. Companies go into administration every day and that's life. My only gripe is with as you call it over optimistic statements I just call it lies.

[hedgehog33] 13/2/2013 12:14

"You are continuing to talk nonsense".


Maybe.. though it's not my company in admisitration..


"It wouldnt have been practical to expect enough to be 'secured' before going ahead. These things cant work that way for a small CMO"....


why not....?