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[garth] 04/4/2006 11:17

Welcome rcktmn.

Out of interest, are you able to comment in less than 100 words what you felt the investment case was?

G.

[Abuse team] 03/4/2006 19:33

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[colsmith] 03/4/2006 19:31

Smart move rc!

[rcktmn] 03/4/2006 19:21

Well, I'm on board as of today...(but it wasn't the 100k!)

[garth] 03/4/2006 19:08

Someone paying over 4.6p for a couple of 100k earlier. No sells reported so not sure about the drop on the bid near the end of the day.

G.

[garth] 02/4/2006 21:58

From 24th March 2006

p.5 "Smart Card System Urged"
Oyster/ITSO pilot said to be progressing well.....

And on p.4

"Oyster card
for trains
The government will include a
requirement to accept Oyster
cards in the invitation to tender
for renewal of the South
West Trains franchise, to be
published shortly.
In answer to a Parliamentary
question, Alistair Darling
said: "We want to ensure
that Oyster cards – and the
next generation of cards – are
available not just in Greater
London but in the rest of the
country."

[garth] 02/4/2006 21:21

'Tis music to the ears:

"In the UK it was decided
that the standards used in
Calypso, London's Oyster
scheme and the Octopus transit
card in Hong Kong were not
sufficient for the country's
fully deregulated and privatised
transport environment,
so the ITSO standard was
launched.

ITSO has been mandated
by the UK government for
all government funded smart
transit projects."

[garth] 31/3/2006 15:05

Document on the American Public Transportation Association site looking at Smartcard standards. Looks at co-operation between ITSO and the French Calypso standards - something discussed further in March ITSO newsletter. (p.59-62 ish)

[garth] 31/3/2006 14:49

from Oct 2004 document on ITS:

"The publication of the ticketing standards in 2004 by ITSO, the Integrated Transport Smartcard Organisation, paves the way for emerging schemes to work seamlessly together. This will free travellers from having to buy a separate ticket each time they use a different mode or operator across the whole of the UK.
Projects are in place to migrate existing schemes to these standards. Further smartcard advances in the next year will see the use of mobile phones for drivers to book and pay for car park places.

[garth] 31/3/2006 14:09

Andrew,

Thanks for that. So the buys have it then.

Pleasure Andrew - I enjoy the investigation

I think you're right Bonty - peeps are catching on....

G.

[andrewis] 31/3/2006 14:03

garth - L2 is 1 v 2, 3.75 v 4.5, 125K v 250K.

Still not in - trying to get to grips with competitive context for SMRT. will decide soon!

Cheers fro your efforts on this.

Andrew

[garth] 31/3/2006 14:00

Here's an extract from the piece:

Cubic Expands Its Tri-Reader Technology to Support the Jewel Limited Use 'Smart' Card

"03/26/06]
The transportation segment of Cubic Corporation announced its Tri-Reader 2, the multi-protocol card interface device used in its newest automated fare collection equipment, which now supports the latest low-cost Limited Use proximity smart card (Jewel), developed by Innovision Research and Technology LTD in the U.K.

Cubic, in its goal to achieve support for open architectures and customer choice, welcomes Jewel as another extension to Cubic's extensive library of card types already qualified for use with the Tri-Reader. These card types include the MIFARE Classic, MIFARE UltraLight, MIFARE DESFire, the Cubic GO Card and now the Innovision Jewel card. The Tri-Reader processes all cards meeting ISO 14443 standards. Cubic's policy is to thoroughly test and qualify all cards before accepting them for use in order to ensure quality performance for our customers.

Once a new smart card format is added to the list of cards supported by the Tri-Reader 2, Cubic takes measures to ensure that it will function effectively in a public transit environment. Cubic's transit customers benefit from these extra steps taken with the goal of achieving trouble free system operations.

"We are pleased to include the Innovision Jewel device in our list of approved smart media for the more than 50,000 Tri-Reader products that are currently deployed. Limited Use smart cards will be a valuable component in achieving the full spectrum of smart card operations in 's automatic fare collection systems," said Walt Bonneau, corporate vice president of Transit Technology for Cubic Corporation.

The low cost Jewel card fills the need for a convenient low cost ticket type suitable for passengers for whom regular contactless smart cards might not be convenient or cost effective.

"Because of the targeted functionality and low cost of the Jewel card, our transit agency customers will have the option of expanding contactless/proximity ticketing capability for a variety of uses, including day passes and other ticket products used in large numbers for the occasional riders, tourists, specific ticketing events, patrons that prefer a non-permanent card media and patrons that require a temporary ticket to substitute for a full-featured smart card that was lost or forgotten," Bonneau said. .....

....Cubic Transportation Systems is the world's largest provider of integrated electronic ticketing systems and has smart card contracts for public transit systems in North America, Europe and Asia. Every year, nearly 10 billion people use Cubic systems in more than 40 major markets in cities on five continents, including London, Washington, D.C., Hong Kong, Chicago, New York, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Atlanta, San Francisco, Singapore and Miam.....

....Innovision R&T products include Jewel, the world's smallest and lowest cost ITSO approved smart ticketing chip; and Io, one of the world's smallest standards compatible near field RFID readers. Headquartered in the U.K., the company was established in 1994 and is listed on the Alternative Investment Market (AIM) of the London Stock Exchange. For further information, visit: www.innovision-group.com.

[garth] 31/3/2006 13:55

INN have been rising the last few days after a long decline. I wonder whether this is part of the reason?



Cubic are part of the Transys consortium providing Oyster to TfL. Trials finish end March on interoperability between Oyster and ITSO. Jewel is a low-cost ITSO compliant chip.

What is of interest for us is that it is Cubic who are invloved with the Oyster/TfL pilot. If they are equiping their own machines for Jewel then that equates to equipping their machines for an ITSO compliant Jewel-chip mifare card. It was a mifare card that the TfL road map document was suggesting as the next step forward for interoperability within London.....

Pieces coming together?

DYOR

G.

[bonty] 31/3/2006 13:50

Looks like someone's actually noticed we're here at last.Not before time in view of the steady buying that's been going on recently.

[garth] 31/3/2006 13:48

Looking perky. We've ticked up again.

Perhaps there was line of stock that has been cleared?

Any lurkers got L2?

G.

[colsmith] 31/3/2006 12:37

Garth - intersting its all down to standards and things moving there.

Interesting about mobile phone and smartcards. I guess many in future would wish to pay thru their mobile on bus, train etc but others might prefer to use a card. So for commercial reasons the two will likley co-exist although over time one maybe the phone will predominate. There are two interesting points about this I suggest - the interface from the mobile to a terminal at the comms level will differ to the card but this is nothing new we have multi standards at the comms level now for mobile with GSM, WiFi, Wimax etc. Whilst at the software level the same applications need to reside in card and mobile for the security and payment interactions.

So it all seems that whatever direction the hardware takes its the software at the application level that will be the same - and Advanced Smart are software product developers!

[garth] 31/3/2006 11:49

March issue of ITSO newsletter available:

[garth] 31/3/2006 11:43

Hey, we actually moved ;0)

[garth] 30/3/2006 13:40

Colsmith,

Thats right. Once again it is Atmel that manufactured the chips.

I was reading a piece about RBS, ITSO and electronic purse and how there had been little movement forward due to the complexities of matching different systems. Well, through Multefile, ITSO & RBS Ecebs are right in there. You link that up with ventures such iProved and, as you say, potential for massive growth.

Chip n pin may be helping in store fraud protection but it offers nothing to telephone transactions (unless they have a way of linking it to number entry on the phone - but one would think that that would be immensely difficult to secure)......

G.

[colsmith] 30/3/2006 12:52

Garth - thanks interesing reads. This seems partuclary relevent from your M55:

"Our solution enables the iProved card to meet the payment chip-card product requirements of both Visa and Mastercard/Europay. This in turn enables Banks to issue iProved cards that interoperate within the global EMV chip card networks."

Clearly moving in areas of smart card related activity that will have big market growth!

[garth] 30/3/2006 12:02

iProved
Another pie that Ecebs have a finger in.

Ecebs are part of a European consortium led by Elva (French, with dual Nasdaq listing) which uses Elva's VocalID technology.

Ecebs provide the on-card operating system and applications.



"My name is Barry Hochfield, I am the technical director of E-cebs. E-cebs , stands for electronic Commerce enabled by smartcards. We are a software technology company formed by a highly experienced team of individuals. Our aim is to make more Smart card based projects happen and in a technically and commercially successful manner for our customers and partners.

"We have focussed on innovating the architectures and methodologies used in the development of Smartcard software with a view to radically reducing effort and time to market, thereby lowering the total cost of deployment and operation of any Smart card enabled scheme.

E-cebs contribution to the iPROVED project is within the area of card resident operating systems and applications developed specifically to provide functionality that complies with the emerging banking card standard known as EMV. EMV is short for Europay Mastercard and Visa, the 3 international payment associations that developed the standard.

Our solution enables the iProved card to meet the payment chip-card product requirements of both Visa and Mastercard/Europay. This in turn enables Banks to issue iProved cards that interoperate within the global EMV chip card networks."

[garth] 30/3/2006 11:05

ITI Techmedia have launched a newsletter. Piece in there on Ecebs and the anti-counterfeiting project:

[garth] 29/3/2006 20:09

They've got their new entitlement cards in their cases! The article says they can be used for all sorts of things. I guess at a push you could get all your passengers to use their's to dig the bus out if it got caught in a freak snow storm, instant sun blinds in the summer and a nice bridge table for playing on the move if you were so inclined?

[bonty] 29/3/2006 16:45

Some interesting "acting" going on behind her too - strange place for a bus stop.