Paysafe Share Discussion Threads

[eh9] 11/2/2016 15:15

Will be no bids in an environment where banks are plunging 12% in a day and peripheral bond spreads are back to 2014 etc etc. Give it 24 months to execute and pay down the debt

[ramas] 11/2/2016 15:10

Good points Ralph however it would not surprise me if a curve ball offer materialised, not t say it will of course. Plenty of room for a pragmatic knockout bid considering the forward p/e .... At £6 there's a discussion to be had , even if only to acknowledge the discount to peers ?

[ralphmalph] 11/2/2016 14:19

I do not think a low bid will be made.

The reason being is that institutional ownership is so low. Top three holdings total 21%. I can not see institutional ownership greater than 30% total. Whereas when you look at worldpay top three institutions are in excess of 50%.

What normally happens in a takeover of a listed company is that the buyer agrees price that is acceptable to just over 50% of institutional owners and the deal gets done. The price paid may not be what PI's want or what the institutions think the business is worth, but may well pay enough bonuses to be acceptable.

An offer made for PAYS would need to get a lot of PI's to agree and there is no way the buyer can test what that price is, so there is no guarantee of success.

The buyer can not afford headlines in the business press of "xxx company fails its transformational takeover" makes management look incompetant and in line for sacking.

[wolfhound1] 11/2/2016 14:10

lloydtrader97 - we all know the rumours that have circulated re potential suitors as PAYS share price has sat at a discount to peers for some time and whilst brokers have started to re-rate the stock ( Barclay's for instance with a 560-760 price target) it has not materialised - and whilst peers are on PE of 30 we are sub 15 for 2016 estimated earnings.

In that regard the current market volatility makes PAYS even more attractive as a target as on forward earnings we are probably trading at a little over PE ration of 11/12 on 2016 estimated earnings. We are just short of FTSE250 entry in March at which point trackers will need to buy and share price will rise. At a Macro level we are in a consolidating market segment as witnessed by deals executed in last year in the payments/digital space.

My observation is if there is a predator who has been running the slide rule over PAYS and they have all their ducks lined up - a backdrop of market volatility might be seen as an opportunistic time to test that price and attempt to pick up PAYS on the cheap - I suggested 450p as where that might occur ( although I see it worth closer to mid point of Barclays target range of 560-760)

My view is that it best to be in despite the market volatility -as share price will recover when markets settle and secondly wouldn't want to miss an approach however opportunistic.

[lomax99] 11/2/2016 13:48

450p would be derisory, given we have spent sometime over 400p ourselves recently. Any bid needs to end up north of 550p, as a minimum, even then we would probably be selling ourselves well short. (think Barclays c. 760p!!)

[lloydtrader97] 11/2/2016 13:43

Please explain Wolfhound?

[wolfhound1] 11/2/2016 13:30

If there is a predator in the wings this might just be the point in time when they might strike with an opportunistic bid in the 450p region - assuming of course they had all their ducks lined up....... just a thought

[stockbob] 11/2/2016 11:39

i know this from yesterday but still gives confidence hxxp://sonoranweeklyreview.com/paysafe-group-plc-stock-is-rising-now/

[flyposter] 11/2/2016 08:40

Sold everything at the bell, put it into SUK2, obvious this one.

[investordave] 11/2/2016 08:38

Only 180,000 shares sold but the share price is down by 17p? It really beggars belief. This degree of manipulation should be made illegal. The share price is marched up or down depending on the will of a few shorters. That can't be right.

[keyno] 11/2/2016 08:34

How about a graph system to analyse trading bots' behaviour? Based on candles?

[keyno] 11/2/2016 08:34

How about a graph system to analyse trading bots' behaviour? Based on candles?

[pshevlin] 11/2/2016 08:31

I think he meant Fork Handles.

[reddave999] 11/2/2016 08:30

I think I'll stick with the tealeaves in the cup method for the time being lol!!

[libertine] 11/2/2016 08:25

Another success for the `candles` then!!

[high park] 10/2/2016 23:32

wolfhound - thank you for the explanation. Dabbled in candlesticks myself once but never came near mastering the subject.

"Woodcutter" was heavily into charting, and candlesticks particularly, and graced the pages of the OPAY BB from may to July 2014.

[wolfhound1] 10/2/2016 16:39

good close and nice uptick today - from the chart signal I expect we will continue to see gains in coming days

on the Yellen front - looks like FED rate rises are off the agenda as long as market volatility exists - so not anytime soon would be my guess

GLA

[stockbob] 10/2/2016 16:35

Nice finish today now for a few more days like this up to FTSE entry

[wolfhound1] 10/2/2016 11:06

high park - that cross is known as a doji - it represents a fight between bulls and bears - a doji following a down trend signals bears and bulls have hit an impasse. If doji is followed by an uptick ( as it has today) then this is taken as a buy signal as bulls are in the ascendency and it is a bullish signal of a rising share price Will need to wait til end of day to confirm but looks good. What is also positive is that the white candle after the black candle - from the bottom to about half way is known as a harami ( pregnant woman) - the white candle represents the bump during pregnancy ( fair enough requires a bit of imagination I know :)) - also a bullish signal.

Hope that helps - if you google Candlestick patterns then you can pick up a few tips on some of the more important patterns - I am no expert but dabble a bit in them as a secondary source of reading the market sentiment to try to inform my opinion.

GLA

[reddave999] 10/2/2016 11:04

Thanks scottishfield :)

[scottishfield] 10/2/2016 10:30

well done dave999

[reddave999] 10/2/2016 10:30

heliweli, I got back in first thing this morning, I'm a happy boy again thanks :)

[high park] 10/2/2016 10:29

Here's a candlestick chart. Wolfhoun please explain. Must say I've not seen a plain vertical line as shown for yesterday before. EDIT Ah! Just seen the horizontal bar across the red line.


free stock charts from uk.advfn.com

[high park] 10/2/2016 10:21

Good thing I couldn't get to a computer yesterday. Probably would have had a heart attack.

[jarega85] 10/2/2016 10:12

Please do share your charts guys if you can, thanks