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[currypasty] 09/2/2021 10:04

just made some non alcoholic ginger cordial as alcohol alternative.. very nice and unlike shop bought cordials actually has real wholesome ingredients.. just ginger root, lemon, and small sugar.. no funny chemicals

[maxk] 01/2/2021 20:46

The Prof's timing is uncanny..

[maxk] 31/1/2021 12:21

Book in to a monastery?

[currypasty] 31/1/2021 10:42

not allowed alcohol atm, got any alternatives?

[maxk] 30/1/2021 23:25

Evening girls.


Back on topic.

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Very very nice. Unusual flavours. No doubt dog will find fault.


Such is life.

[currypasty] 22/1/2021 12:09

still not sure if I want one yet, probably not the genetically modified monkey dna version, from one of the worst drug companies for fines for wrong doings

[sg31] 21/1/2021 22:22

No, I'm not even close yet.

[maxk] 21/1/2021 21:10

Evening girls.

Anyone been down for their distemper shots yet?

[sg31] 16/1/2021 11:55

Good news at last.Thanks max.

[maxk] 15/1/2021 20:56

Some good news amid the gloom...




Experts counter charity advice not to drink for two weeks after Covid jab

'A normal, healthy lifestyle, with minimal drinking is okay for the vaccine to have an effect,' experts say

By
Lizzie Roberts
15 January 2021 • 11:39am






Drinking alcohol before or after having the coronavirus vaccine is unlikely to impact the effectiveness of the jab, experts have said.

It comes after Drink Aware issued guidance from its independent medical advisory panel warning people not to drink “at least two days before, and at least two weeks after” being vaccinated, “to ensure your immune system is at its best to respond to the vaccine and protect you”.

The comments were made by Dr Fiona Sim in her capacity as chair of the advisory panel. She is also a Senior Clinical Adviser at NHS England and a visiting professor at the University of Bedfordshire.

The Drink Aware guidance adds there is “little data” about the impact of alcohol on the effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccine.

But Dr Sim states: “Chronic heavy drinking reduces immune protection, and specifically for respiratory infections, which includes Covid-19.

“For greatest benefit from the vaccine, it is prudent for you not to drink any alcohol for a few days before, and for at least two weeks after, you've been vaccinated.”

But other experts have said this is not necessary and is not recommended in the labelling of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca jabs.

“It wouldn’t affect the immune response to be honest,” Dr Gillies O'Bryan-Tear, of the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine, said.

“People who drink heavily are somewhat immunosuppressed… (but) it’s certainly not advice around vaccinations I am aware of.”

He added that Drink Aware “must have scientific reasons” for issuing the advice, but added: “From my point of view I can’t see why they’ve recommended that”.

“We would not deny the vaccination to alcoholics,” he said. “It'll still work, they still need to be protected.”

Professor Gary McLean, of the School of Human Sciences at London Metropolitan University and a visiting professor at Imperial College London, said getting “hammered” directly after taking the vaccine wouldn’t be advised.

But added “usual drinking within guidelines wouldn't be wouldn't be too negative” on a person’s immune system and is unlikely to impact the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine.

It is also not recommended to avoid alcohol days before the seasonal flu jab, he added.


“I wouldn't say that having a couple of pints before getting a flu vaccine would be too negative on the effects of the vaccine. It just doesn't make sense to me,” he told The Telegraph.

Binge drinking can impact your immune system from working at its best for a period, but coronavirus vaccines have been designed to release an immune response “slowly over time… it’s not going to be all at once,” Prof McLean said.

Adding that: “A normal, healthy lifestyle, with minimal drinking is okay for the vaccine to have an effect.”

Dr Stephen Baker, of Cambridge University, said alcohol can have “suppressive effects” on the body’s immune response.

But he added: “As with all things in moderation, a moderate amount of alcohol is probably not going to do a lot of damage, but going out on a large bender the day before or post-immunisation for any vaccine is probably not a good idea.”

Dr Mary Ramsay, Head of Immunisation at PHE said: “Drinking a small amount of alcohol, in line with the CMOs low risk guidelines, has not been shown to impair the immune system.

“There is no published scientific evidence of the effect of alcohol before and after (the) vaccine on the immune response to Covid-19 vaccination but it is advisable not to drink heavily before being vaccinated.”


Drink Aware cited three studies as supporting it’s guidance, but none seem to offer conclusive evidence of the impact of alcohol on the effectiveness of vaccines.

One study, from researchers at the Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, found the “relative effectiveness” of vaccines did not differ by smoking or alcohol status.

Another study, assessing the effectiveness of a pneumonia vaccine among patients with arthritis who drank or smoked, found low to moderate alcohol consumption had “no impact on immune response”.

While a 2019 review of a number of studies which analysed the impact of behaviours, such as drinking, on a person’s immune response to vaccines reported the data for its impact was “inconsistent”.

Responding to The Telegraph Dr Sim said the advice was offered "as a precaution" and there is "no published data" about the impact of drinking alcohol on the Covid vaccine.

"We continue to stress that it is crucial that anybody who is offered a Covid-19 vaccine should go and have it, regardless of whether they drink any alcohol," she said.

"We also want to reassure that anybody who has already been vaccinated and has had an occasional drink since should not be unduly concerned by this advice.”

[sg31] 15/1/2021 12:43

It will be interesting to see how that story develops. It just says 23 people vaccinated have died. It doesn't say what they died from.

If you give the vaccine to say 100,000 elderly people people it's quite likely that a number will die from natural causes. Until they do autopsies it's going to be difficult to say.

It seems strange that this has come from Norway but there's no mention anywhere of problems elsewhere. The vast majority of vaccinations in this country and the states are from Pfizer. If there is a problem they will find it. The reporting standards on all these new vaccines are stringent. The health bodies are watching very closely.

[currypasty] 15/1/2021 10:05

Over 20 people vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine die in Norway


I bet you wont see this on BBC news for a while yet

[fireplace22] 15/1/2021 09:11

Following the science may be good to rid us of Covid eventually and maybe save some lives initially but it cant be done in isolation. Unfortunately what we have done is spent the cash to remove covid, failed and the forthcoming recession will claim many more lives than Covid ever did. A Bristol University impact study suggests 560,000 deaths, the Govt suggested that 200,000 lives would be lost following the effects of the summer lockdown only. The Conservative mantra was always look after the economy and that will look after the NHS, well that's been turned on its head, we protected the NHS and destroyed the economy, that doesn't bode well for anyone.

[sg31] 14/1/2021 22:33

Fireplace. No point in a discussion. We both have different perspective and I'm sure we both think we are right.

I follow the science not the Government.

[fireplace22] 14/1/2021 21:17

Just one aspect of misinformation from the Govts dodgy propaganda machine not to mention the repression of any opposing opinion.

[maxk] 14/1/2021 20:48

It might help if they clarified the numbers being bandied about.


No of dead solely via c19

No of dead "with" c19


I suspect the first number would be relatively low. And the second number much higher.

Stats for bog standard diseases seem to have been discarded in favour of the lump.

Witness the daily toll as presented by the telly so called news.

[fireplace22] 14/1/2021 20:16

Not so, you ask most elderly people should they take this action specifically to protect you and they would say no. I am 71 both my wife and sister are of similar age and both have serious existing health conditions we certainly do not wish to destroy the futures of our children and grandchildren by the irresponsible action we have seen from this Govt. Our generation are competent enough to make our own decisions regarding our wellbeing without being ordered by what has become a police state. Curry have a look at the additional deaths from cancer, heart disease a direct result of the one track approach of the NHS.
The problems with hospitalisations this winter are a direct consequence of the lockdown in April moving the disease out to winter and having no positive effect on case numbers overall.

[currypasty] 14/1/2021 19:56

your position in society determines if you are happy with the Govt response (which I think was the bones of the question)


If you are elderly, infirm, existing health conditions, vulnerable, retired, do not work, get pension paid, then those will give one answer


If you are young, fit, healthy, acknowledge that <400 deaths total is insignificant compared to other ways of dying (road accidents twice that), but have had all your freedoms removed, your income and work decimated, you may have a totally different view on things.

[fireplace22] 14/1/2021 19:30

Currypasty, the main point I make is that very high levels of infection have occurred despite Govt measures costing everyone in this country, man, woman and child about £8,000 each. So have these measures worked? Will their consequence be worse than the disease, the answer to that is that they have been already and will get significantly worse. I don't see how your position in society counts, the luckiest will only face higher taxes, inflation and underfunded public services.

[currypasty] 14/1/2021 19:18

the answer depends on your position in society..

[fireplace22] 14/1/2021 19:13

500,000 UK deaths and 5M unemployed forecasted as a result of the coming recession, time will tell.

[fireplace22] 14/1/2021 18:34

Thanks for that sg31, good stuff. I suppose the real point I was trying to make is given the high numbers that have had the disease and given its relative benignity to the large majority of the public especially those economically productive, (only 400 deaths of those below 60 without an existing condition). Has the Govt approach been mis-directed and should only have targeted/protected those high risk groups and allowed others and the economy to continue with care. I think it has and the price we pay will be far worse than the harm covid has dealt us.