Misys Share Discussion Threads

[hot_property] 06/9/2006 22:29

MSY what are your views on MSY on a short term trading range do you think it'll break up or down? the Bollingers are tight...volume picks-up on up days...what does this mean to you? ... please add you views ...

[hot_property] 06/9/2006 22:27

Hello there the oldskool master is back... I agree with Shem... the idiots of Barclays putting a sell note hahahah they are crazy the TA of the chart offer a rather keen reward over risk when look to accumulate stock for a long position.....I think everyone should buy this stock and make some money for a christmas....a great way to by grand-dad a pair of pink kn*ckers....

[2shemshersingh] 06/9/2006 07:49

so far the chart does not give a sell signal, the charts are better indicators than broker recommendations. The candlestick formation yesterday did not engulf the previous day's close, and failed to close below 251p.

I think the market is awaiting postive news and smart investors don't want to sell or at the same time chasing up the stock.

The chart indicates higher volume on up days and lower on down, this may imply that people don't want to close postions, rather buy into strength. Today's postive close indicates the confidence people have in the stock compared to the overall market that fell. I would of hoped a close above 254 rather than 253.25p as further momentum to an upward trend. The chances of the stock reaching 260p would of been stronger than today's close.

I tend to get defensive when stocks starts to fall. I rather buy stock as it starts to rise or run for cover when it falls. I think trading is bit like being in a trech during the war. You jump for cover when bullits fly and only when you feel safe u fire back. Firing back is like buying the stock and the heavy shooting by enemy is the price falling lower, the enemy could push your defensives further back and you risk being margin called. Your objective is to get past each trading day at a time unharmed. If the stock is within a strong trend like up trend, time is in your favour as each moment passes the stock rises. Misys for instance has been in an uptrend and subsequent trading weeks have proceeded with small advances. This is like pushing the enemy back further away from your trench (your stock price entry level).


It's safer to average into a trade at various levels over a longer period of time than dive in at once. I like to pick stock up on a gap down during the morning opening.

[n66usa] 05/9/2006 20:02

British Bull has a SELL CONFIRMED.

[2shemshersingh] 05/9/2006 16:01

barclays placed a sell note on misys, I'm rather confused why that is so when they know there are possible bidders likely to pay premium prices. A few months back some of the major brokers put an overweight on BG. BP and oils generally when they were at their peak, a few days later the stocks fell. My guess is they place buy or sell note in order to try and manipulate the market. Maybe the brokers are trying to shake the tree before adding or increasing their exposure. In misys for instance, it's been difficult to buy stock at lower levels, the chart implies not many sellers on the order books. After market yesterday 2.4million shares were traded.

How many days do u think we have to waite until pubilicly announced bid winner? My guess is Monday. My view is on Friday 3rd line of entries accepted, weekend msy board decide and announce in press or prior to maket open on Monday. If the bidders don't up their bids to satisfaction of MSY board then misys may have to compromise and accept best bid from previous contest. I don't think Msy board will let the bidders lose and allow the stock price to smash. One way or another something has to generate postive returns for long term suffering shareholders.

[2shemshersingh] 05/9/2006 08:17

i think in principle msy has an upper limit of what they feel is a reasonable takeout price for the stock. Out of the various companies making a bid one of the bids may of hit that upper bid level, but since then the international markets have risen thus Misys is holding out for a final and best bid. My guess is the bidders have to qualify in terms of a set criteria. My expericence when I make a bid say for a property via an estate agent, I have to satisfy the seller that i have the means motivation and finance to be taken seriously. Although the bidding process is much more complicated the principle of qualifing as a bidder remains. From the press I have gathered there are 3 qualified bidders plus management buyout bid. All the bidders gave their prices on their first run and have been invited possibly 2nd time to improve on the bid. The final bid could be the 3rd and final. This is to reflect on an international rising market. My guess is the previous bidders could improve on their bids by a touch. If the don't msy will have to accept the best offer from their 2nd round of bids. My guess is via press speculation that the 2nd round of bids fetched an upper price tag of 265-275p. A take out price on the 3rd round of 280p would be reasonable. I think the 3rd round of bid will have a quick annoucement to market. The remaining bidders have achieved dill-dilligence.

[2shemshersingh] 04/9/2006 21:50

i think this is the final bid as msy is holding out for a higher price tag. we may get news during the weekend or early monday. chartwise the stock could break 260p level as the market prices in an above 270p bid.

[impecunious] 04/9/2006 20:09

Final bids due on friday.

[rcoates96] 04/9/2006 10:22

Well, clearly a few people think that something positive is in the wings this morning ....

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 20:47

the chart implies 285p level, thats not reflected on the actual takeout price, most stocks trade with a spin, that's when people speculate behond what the actual takeout price, more speculation than reality. I saw this happen with Mowlem shares. The stock went to 240p but the actual takeout price was 230p. 10p was the spin created by speculators. it's great to sell out on a spin but very risky.

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 19:54

i think some kind of annoucement will occur within 7 working days.

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 19:52

no, but will try and get in at 247.5p, the chart implies 2 days of low volume and possible entry points.

[call-logger] 03/9/2006 19:35

2shem

So, with your thinking this way now, would you still have sold out on Friday?

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 19:25

I think since the market was told of a management buyout misys had come from a lower trading range of 185p. At that time a 235p bid looked reasonable within a falling market. Since then the overall world market has stabalized and risen higher. I think misys attracted bidders that priced in the stock around 250p. This was still a premium and above the fair value of 235p. With three bidders I think the fair value has risen to 250p with a premium close to 270p. Further the overall world market has risen dilluteing some of the potential premium take out price. My guess is MSY is holding out for one further price tag that reflects the world rise in markets. This could be about 280p where 260p is fairvalue base.

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 18:20

i am saying that a bid is likely due to the way large fundmanagers such as UBS have been accumulating shares after the bid news announcement. I don't think the press report in the times will push the stock price on Monday, it's just a rumour that the bid is at 275p

[impecunious] 03/9/2006 18:15

Why shouldn't it be real. At end July, Directors confirmed number of ptoential bidders performing due diligence.

18th August - Telegraph reports that bidders told to put in bids at month's end.

A bid on Friday therefore seemsa in keeping with all this.

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 17:25

i think an annoucement of a bid soon is causing the stock to spin upwards. Chartwise I think the stock could drift lower and test the 247p level on light volume. This could be a good entry if you believe the higher bid maybe priced between 260p-275p. For the last few weeks the bollingerbands have been tightening and the stock has moved in contray to the overall market. On down days when the market is up and up days when market is at a different direction. When the stock has drifted lower it's been when the volume is very thin and on updays the volume tends to be heavy. This imples fundmanagers and larger investors are accumulating stock (buying on dips) in order to add and average in their stakes. There could be a sense of confidence that the fundmanagers will be able to close their positions when the bid has been confirmed. All this high buying stake can then be offloaded with liqidity of a takeout of the stock by the successful bidder.

[2shemshersingh] 03/9/2006 17:13

I don't think a cash bid of 275p is real, the directors of misys would of confirmed the rumour.

[rcoates96] 03/9/2006 10:35

Thanks, I couldn't find it either!

Well Google may know everything there is to know about us but it can't find this article when typing in "Misys bid" .... maybe they should stick to their knitting.

You're right, if its a firm offer, they will have to update the market, but offers are rarely rock solid and lawyers are adept at finding wriggle room.

But I for one will breathe a big sigh of relief if they do.

[impecunious] 03/9/2006 10:00

Found it after all.



if its true, presumably they will have to update the market on Monday ... ?

[impecunious] 03/9/2006 09:51

This article does not seem to be on their website. Do you have a link?

[czar] 02/9/2006 18:51

Today's Times "Cash bid 275p"!

[rcoates96] 01/9/2006 23:33

2shem, why do you think it has risen steadily throughout the week?

[2shemshersingh] 01/9/2006 21:57

a month has gone by and still no bid news, maybe a bid is not going to happen afterall. I sold out my entire holding today at 250p, made about £230 profit.

[impecunious] 18/8/2006 19:53

Why?
Report yesterday (Telegrpah) that Fiserv now also performing due diligence with bids expected late August.

Or perhaps there'll be more news this weekend ...?